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5th test the oval

essex boy said:
I would not disagree if it ends up 2-2. Two fairly ordinary sides with a splattering of high quality in either side evenly

Biggest issue for me is England, specifically some players were undercooked so lacked match sharpness in tests 1 and 2. Once England settled and got into their groove it was too much damage to claw back but people can now see how ordinary Australia are so kicking themselves, blaming the weather. In a 5 test match series in England expecting no test to be rain affected is a bit far fetched IMO
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We dominated the first test though, it was only a freakish partnership that stopped us winning.
 

essex boy said:
In a 5 test match series in England expecting no test to be rain affected is a bit far fetched IMO
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I don’t think it’s ever realistic to have no test rain affected. But to have no draws? The last summer that happened in was, erm, last summer when all seven produced positive results. It’s not that outrageously unrealistic to expect this team not to draw, even in England.
 
Cricinfo alert

according to Broad , Darmasena told him that the run out would have been given with those light up Zing Bails

so it wasn’t really an error by Bairstow
 
chunkyshitehawk53 said:
Interesting stat. Whilst you can discuss the pros and cons of bazball, reality is that it’s meant that Cummins has been able to play all 5 tests (even with Lyon injured)
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It's why I was so angry at that session when we're 188/1 at Lords. That is where the Ashes were lost for me.

They just lost Lyon and you can tell he's out for the series. That was our chance to grind their pacemen into the dirt. We then just absolutely threw it away in moronic spectacular fashion.
 
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said he had been told by umpire Kumar Dharmasena that if zing bails had been in use for the Ashes
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would have been given out on the second day at The Oval, but he was comfortable with the borderline decision having gone Smith's way.




What could be a vital moment in the Test - and crucial to whether the series ends 2-2 - occurred in the 78th over when Smith, on 42, took on the arm of substitute
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, the son of former England allrounder Mark, who sprinted in from deep midwicket and produced a rocket-like throw which was collected by Jonny Bairstow.




Initially, it appeared that Smith was short of his ground - and with Ricky Ponting on Sky Sports commentary mentions of soon followed - but on subsequent replays umpire Nitin Menon ruled that the bail was not completely dislodged from both grooves until Smith, who had pulled out a full-length dive, was in his crease. There was also debate about whether Bairstow had dislodged the stumps fractionally before taking the ball.




"I honestly don't know the rules," Broad said. "I think there was enough grey area to give that not out. It looked like benefit of the doubt sort of stuff, first angle I saw I thought out, and then the side angle it looked like the bails probably dislodged.




"Kumar said to me if it was zing bails it would been given out, I don't really understand the reasoning why."




Under the Laws, the bail has to be completely removed. Law 29.1 states: "The wicket is broken when at least one bail is completely removed from the top of the stumps, or one or more stumps is removed from the ground
 
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Ghfd said:
Cheers

I’m covered but I feel england will win in the end
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You’re right about it being decent odds though, if England go big tomorrow and we lose some time early on Day 4 to the weather - given the turgid batting from Australia today, they might just go negative as f*ck and try to spoil the Test match.
 
brandon said:
You’re right about it being decent odds though, if England go big tomorrow and we lose some time early on Day 4 to the weather - given the turgid batting from Australia today, they might just go negative as f*ck and try to spoil the Test match.
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They are desperate for the draw

they got away with it today but in the fourth they will not fancy anything over 250

we get close to 300 I think we will win by about a 100
 
KGC83 said:
We dominated the first test though, it was only a freakish partnership that stopped us winning.
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My perception of the first test is a little different to yours. Stokes asked for a flat wicket, opted to pick no genuine quick (we dropped Tongue from the Ireland test and Wood was not selected) then proceeded to watch the Australian 8th wicket add 50 odd in the 4th innings, some may say that is freakish, against a one dimensional bowling attack others may say Cummins and Lyon applied themselves. If I recall England dropped quite a few catches in the test as well due to a lack of match sharpness. I cant say that is domination but everyone is entitled to their opinion
Fleagle said:
I don’t think it’s ever realistic to have no test rain affected. But to have no draws? The last summer that happened in was, erm, last summer when all seven produced positive results. It’s not that outrageously unrealistic to expect this team not to draw, even in England.
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My perception of Bazball is we score at nigh on 5 an over on average, some games will be higher, some lower than the average. I do not believe England have quite mastered when to go all out and when to reign it in. Hence we see some exhilarating batting at times (OT) and some fairly abysmal batting at others (Lords first innings). Because England play test cricket like a ODI, it does not mean other sides will look to match them so time can still be taken out of a game to enable a draw when rain is around
 
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