4th test Manchester

[Hetty]

Anderson I’d think so. Would be very surprised if Broad retired

Talk they would go together

 

[hudson88]

30 overs is pretty much 2 hours/full session.

Not good enough, and if we can see it and come up with ideas to combat it, why can’t the authorities.

Fining the umpires is a great shout (think it was @brandon the other day). Very simple, easy to implement.

It’ll be trickier with run penalties as there are other variables, but fine the umpires as well as the players to start off with and see how that works. If it doesn’t, then find a system for run penalties.

 

[chopsfc007]

Anderson I’d think so. Would be very surprised if Broad retired

Broad has got plenty time left

 

[Deleted member 41188]

Not so sure, the Aussies don't have much coming through and Starc/Cummins can't play forever. Warner is retiring and Khawaja is 36.

Starc and Cummins are both younger than all of our bowlers in this test.

There’ll be players playing Sheffield Shield this winter who will be looking to step up.

 

[LynchMob]

Both sides bowling to few overs, as you say we’re not getting our moneys worth.

And people are paying Sky subscription money to watch it, surely they should be bleating about it as it could affect their business! TV money is paying the players!

 

[Ghfd]

Anderson I’d think so. Would be very surprised if Broad retired

I remember when Ambrose and Walsh walked off , then McGrath and warne

cook retired and there has been others over the years

if they go, I hope they get the chance to have the crowd there and it’s not done indoors whilst rain hoses down

 

[Lions Play]

such an annoying day for England cricket fans after they have battered the Aussies in this test. The biggest irony, the weather in Manchester is dry all day tomorrow with only a small chance of rain around 6pm.

Would have been great to go to a series decider at the Oval

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

Not good enough, and if we can see it and come up with ideas to combat it, why can’t the authorities.

Fining the umpires is a great shout (think it was @brandon the other day). Very simple, easy to implement.

It’ll be trickier with run penalties as there are other variables, but fine the umpires as well as the players to start off with and see how that works. If it doesn’t, then find a system for run penalties.

1 - keep them out until they bowl the overs like they do in county cricket.
2 - fine the umpires for allowing it
3 - fine the players more
4 - deduct more points.
5 - Refund the customers a % of ticket cost. You pay for 90 overs not 78 for example.

Whatever is in place now simply isn't working.

 

[Hyltons finest]

Nice to see those smug convicts twats celebrating the rain

 

[Ch1982]

They’re world champions. They’ve got an excellent pace attack. In Khawaja, Smith, Labuschagne and Head they’ve got four world class batsman. They’re a very good side and won the first two Tests to make this outcome overwhelmingly likely by playing better cricket than we did. The weather has got them out of jail in this test but we weren’t / aren’t guaranteed to win at the Oval.

They’ve deservedly retained the Ashes based on the balance of play so far and now we have to stop them winning them outright for the first time in over two decades

Correct. They’re the best Aussie side to tour here since 2005 imo.

 

[Scotty 1978]

After the next test match, the next test match is away to India next January

 

[Ch1982]

After the next test match, the next test match is away to India next January

No autumn tour?

 

[Bears Beets]

After the next test match, the next test match is away to India next January

Aww not India again, sick of those bells

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

what the fuck they watering the pitch for?

makes me laugh they are quick to get on the pitch once match is off, yet they sat on their arse for 25 minutes from 11.30am when it had stopped raining today. embarrassing

 

[Bears Beets]

No autumn tour?

World Cup is on

 

[NorthCountryBoy]

what the fuck they watering the pitch for?

makes me laugh they are quick to get on the pitch once match is off, yet they sat on their arse for 25 minutes from 11.30am when it had stopped raining today. embarrassing

I’m not sure the Aussies would have been happy with them watering the pitch with the match not finished like…

 

[Voice of fair play]

Do you think the balance of our approach was right in the first two tests?

I think there is always room for improvement which ever method you use, but ultimately we lost those tests (especially the first test) because of drop catches, missed stumpings etc, not because of the approach.

The approach without a shadow of a doubt increases our chances of winning games, granted its high risk strategy that also increases our chances of losing totally get that.

McCullum has always said he would rather risk losing to win, rather than first thought been let’s not lose, it’s a great positive way to think in test cricket and well overdue and exactly what test cricket needs imo.

Tbf to your point with that strategy they will be times and has been times the balance is not always right.

But I will more than take that for a win percentage this team has since he took over.

 

[chopsfc007]

I think there is always room for improvement which ever method you use, but ultimately we lost those tests (especially the first test) because of drop catches, missed stumpings etc, not because of the approach.

The approach without a shadow of a doubt increases our chances of winning games, granted its high risk strategy that also increases our chances of losing totally get that.

McCullum has always said he would rather risk losing to win, rather than first thought been let’s not lose, it’s a great positive way to think in test cricket and well overdue and exactly what test cricket needs imo.

Tbf to your point with that strategy they will be times and has been times the balance is not always right.

But I will more than take that for a win percentage this team has since he took over.

I think the main point is we have seemed to have learnt in the last few games

 

[Sea to Shining Sea]

I think there is always room for improvement which ever method you use, but ultimately we lost those tests (especially the first test) because of drop catches, missed stumpings etc, not because of the approach.

The approach without a shadow of a doubt increases our chances of winning games, granted its high risk strategy that also increases our chances of losing totally get that.

McCullum has always said he would rather risk losing to win, rather than first thought been let’s not lose, it’s a great positive way to think in test cricket and well overdue and exactly what test cricket needs imo.

Tbf to your point with that strategy they will be times and has been times the balance is not always right.

But I will more than take that for a win percentage this team has since he took over.

And it wasn’t in the first two tests. The catching cost us without a doubt but to only score 398 on that pitch first innings was poor. I don’t blame the declaration or it’s timing but we shouldn’t have been more than 5 down on an absolutely flatty. And we were 5 down because we tried to be too clever when we had the foot on their throats. We played some equally silly cricket at Lords. It’s cost us the Ashes

 

[SAFC11]

6 away ashes since the turn of the century, only one series we won and that was probably the best team we've had in that time. Since that series we've lost 5 - 0, 4 - 0, 4 - 0. The two previous were 5 - 0 and 4 - 1. So we've only won 4 tests in Australia since 2002
Even in home ashes our best series performance was 3 0 once and 3 - 1 once. Series in England generally seem to be much closer, and a struggle to be dominant as opposed to aussies record at home, so no suprise how this has gone. They seem to just perform better overall in ashes series/tests