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4th Ashes Test - Old Trafford

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I think the England selectors are convinced England's momentum will see them win the Ashes now and they don't need to change the team. They will be assuming the Aussies are a broken team following Ben Stokes heroics, they're probably right.
 
chunksafc said:
Silly question, but why havent the ecb arranged a 3 day game against a minor county or second 11 for our test team during this break?
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because against minor opposition they'd continue to get away with the bad habits which they've been found out against Aussie standard opposition. If MERLIN is still around, Aussie bowling can be replicated in practise
 
Steak Pie said:
England squad for fourth Ashes Test against Australia: Joe Root (capt), Jofra Archer, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Stuart Broad, Rory Burns, Jos Buttler (wk), Sam Curran, Joe Denly, Jack Leach, Craig Overton, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, Chris Woakes.

I find it absolutely staggering that two players are averaging less the 10 in their six innings so far and are not being looked at.

Amazing.
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Don't think it's that amazing considering the pool of possible replacements ( very limited imo) and the pedigree they both have in international cricket, all be it another format.

We know both are very talented cricketers and as such should in my opinion get a longer run than the average player, however of course it's difficult to argue that they both are very much under pressure and need to start to perform.

In case of Roy, totally been put in the wrong position and should be given a go lower down.
chunkylover53 said:
Roy :lol:
Buttler :lol:

Bairstow just about deserves another shot
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I remember the last time a Buttler selection was laughed at, he went on to perform very well.
The Breen Machine said:
Absolutely piss poor selection again keeping Roy and Buttler in the side. Never known a more spineless bunch of selectors, at least 1 should have made way.
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I am really not convinced we have quality replacements with the right mental strength to be thrown in, in such a crucial game.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
Don't think it's that amazing considering the pool of possible replacements ( very limited imo) and the pedigree they both have in international cricket, all be it another format.

We know both are very talented cricketers and as such should in my opinion get a longer run than the average player, however of course it's difficult to argue that they both are very much under pressure and need to start to perform.

In case of Roy, totally been put in the wrong position and should be given a go lower down.


I remember the last time a Buttler selection was laughed at, he went on to perform very well.


I am really not convinced we have quality replacements with the right mental strength to be thrown in, in such a crucial game.
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Still 1 test ton
Still fewer first class tons than Pope
 
Voice of fair play said:
Don't think it's that amazing considering the pool of possible replacements ( very limited imo) and the pedigree they both have in international cricket, all be it another format.

We know both are very talented cricketers and as such should in my opinion get a longer run than the average player, however of course it's difficult to argue that they both are very much under pressure and need to start to perform.

In case of Roy, totally been put in the wrong position and should be given a go lower down.


I remember the last time a Buttler selection was laughed at, he went on to perform very well.


I am really not convinced we have quality replacements with the right mental strength to be thrown in, in such a crucial game.
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Totally agree but continued selection after a run of low scores leads to complacency( the undropable mindset). Bairstow, Butler and Roy to a lesser extent have shown a marked reluctance to adapt their game to red ball cricket. Only way to correct this stubbornness is to drop them or remove their central contracts.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Don't think it's that amazing considering the pool of possible replacements ( very limited imo) and the pedigree they both have in international cricket, all be it another format.

We know both are very talented cricketers and as such should in my opinion get a longer run than the average player, however of course it's difficult to argue that they both are very much under pressure and need to start to perform.

In case of Roy, totally been put in the wrong position and should be given a go lower down.


I remember the last time a Buttler selection was laughed at, he went on to perform very well.


I am really not convinced we have quality replacements with the right mental strength to be thrown in, in such a crucial game.
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That's fine if they were scratching round at 20s or so, but they're both averaging 9. It's nowhere near good enough. We can have the inquest in 3 weeks time but for now we have to win at least one and not lose either of the two Tests. The Ashes is all that matters.

And I hate to say it, but Buttler's summer of 2018 is starting to look like the blip. Hopefully he'll step up.
 
Now we have found Smith's weakness (smash his head off), we have the ashes nailed :lol:
I am curious to see how he fares mind, will that knock affect him?
Broad was a canny tail ender once upon a time.
 
rentaghost said:
Still laughing at the cricinfo brand of cricket supporter that looks at first class averages and uses them as evidence as the next player that will be selected for England. Haway man lads you are better than that.
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Yeah don’t need selectors and talent spotting or any foresight,just keep looking at the county championship averages and make changes accordingly is the order of the day for some!
Steak Pie said:
That's fine if they were scratching round at 20s or so, but they're both averaging 9. It's nowhere near good enough. We can have the inquest in 3 weeks time but for now we have to win at least one and not lose either of the two Tests. The Ashes is all that matters.

And I hate to say it, but Buttler's summer of 2018 is starting to look like the blip. Hopefully he'll step up.
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I think we will have to agree on one point and not another.

100% agree the Ashes is all that matters and that is why throwing someone in at the deep end for their debut is not the way to go for me, especially as I think both players concerned have the talent and pedigree to turn it around, if batting in their proper positions.
 
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