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James Anderson Watch in Australia

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essex boy said:
or alternativley he has benefitted from the decline of many of the test nations, has picked up a lot of cheap wickets to boost his world ranking, has cut back on the 4 balls but still relies on swing and seam movement to be effective and isnt much more now than what he has always been, a one trick pony, effective on green and damp tracks but very limited on flat tracks....
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Thats an exaggerated version of the truth - certainly it is true in terms of his world ranking. Jimmy is a swing and seam bowler so its certainly true to say that he is much more effective when pitches suit so are all bowlers of his type. However he shown this series he can bowl very well on flat pitches using control and reverse swing. You massively underplay the role and importance of a bowler that can exploit conditions in the way he can and because you have watched hardly any cricket you have been unable to accept how well he had bowled throughout.
 

rentaghost said:
Thats an exaggerated version of the truth - certainly it is true in terms of his world ranking. Jimmy is a swing and seam bowler so its certainly true to say that he is much more effective when pitches suit so are all bowlers of his type. However he shown this series he can bowl very well on flat pitches using control and reverse swing. You massively underplay the role and importance of a bowler that can exploit conditions in the way he can and because you have watched hardly any cricket you have been unable to accept how well he had bowled throughout.
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seam and swing has been available in every test match this series, as per the daily mail yesterday, might have even been Jimmy who said it himself

I dont underplay his role. The debate is he is a one trick pony who cant get top class players out on flat wickets
 
essex boy said:
seam and swing has been available in every test match this series, as per the daily mail yesterday, might have even been Jimmy who said it himself

I dont underplay his role. The debate is he is a one trick pony who cant get top class players out on flat wickets
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Is it really? Its been that many things over the last year its difficult to keep up:

1) Jimmy shouldn't be in the England team
2) Jimmy should be replaced with Saj Mahmood
3) Just wait til Jimmy gets tanked all over Australia
4) Broad is better than Jimmy
5) Jimmy cant get good players out on flat wickets

So if we are talking about getting good players out on flat wickets of course he can - he did in India, he did in Adelaide, he has sparodically. Of course he finds it more difficult to get good players out on flat wickets but name me a bowler who doesnt. I would accept there are plenty of bowlers that are better equipped than Anderson on flatter pitches but there are barely any better when there is something - even a little bit in the pitch. What seperates Anderson from great test match bowlers is that they are more effective on flat wickets but that doesnt mean all things considered hes not a good test match bowler. You would be hard pushed to find anyone outside of you that would say otherwise. I'm all for not 'being a sheep' but when its you against the rest of the world theres usually a good reason for that ;)

The superbly knowledgeable Vic Marks joining the queue hailing Jimmy:

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eddyfinn said:
if he had been playing in the SA V India series he would be the leading wicket taker
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If he hadn't been English, EB would have been going on about how he is the exact type of bowler that we need to get to #1 in the world ... someone who can run through opposition when the conditions suit and keep it tight the rest of the time with some wickets thrown in for good measure.
 
3.142 said:
If he hadn't been English, EB would have been going on about how he is the exact type of bowler that we need to get to #1 in the world ... someone who can run through opposition when the conditions suit and keep it tight the rest of the time with some wickets thrown in for good measure.
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aye:lol:
 
3.142 said:
If he hadn't been English, EB would have been going on about how he is the exact type of bowler that we need to get to #1 in the world ... someone who can run through opposition when the conditions suit and keep it tight the rest of the time with some wickets thrown in for good measure.
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In this test:

If Jimmy bowls well - typical Jimmy saving his best performance for when the Ashes have already been claimed.

If Jimmy bowls badly - typical Jimmy bottle goes in a series decider

:)
 
green top in Brisbane first day
green top in Peth first two days
green top in Melbourne first two days
green top in Sydney first day

moisture and swing available in every test, what have we learnt about Jimmy, not a lot we didnt already know

Tremlett has been the most inpressive of the English bowlers

rentaghost said:
Is it really? Its been that many things over the last year its difficult to keep up:

1) Jimmy shouldn't be in the England team
2) Jimmy should be replaced with Saj Mahmood
3) Just wait til Jimmy gets tanked all over Australia
4) Broad is better than Jimmy
5) Jimmy cant get good players out on flat wickets

So if we are talking about getting good players out on flat wickets of course he can - he did in India, he did in Adelaide, he has sparodically. Of course he finds it more difficult to get good players out on flat wickets but name me a bowler who doesnt. I would accept there are plenty of bowlers that are better equipped than Anderson on flatter pitches but there are barely any better when there is something - even a little bit in the pitch. What seperates Anderson from great test match bowlers is that they are more effective on flat wickets but that doesnt mean all things considered hes not a good test match bowler. You would be hard pushed to find anyone outside of you that would say otherwise. I'm all for not 'being a sheep' but when its you against the rest of the world theres usually a good reason for that ;)

The superbly knowledgeable Vic Marks joining the queue hailing Jimmy:

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As I have said previously, its the English disease to build someone up when they are doing well. Vik Marks will be the first calling for his head if India beat us at home and Jimmy struggles

The best time to pick fault, is when you are doing well. This series has done nothing but paper over the cracks of a very limited english bowling attack
 
essex boy said:
green top in Brisbane first day
green top in Peth first two days
green top in Melbourne first two days
green top in Sydney first day

moisture and swing available in every test, what have we learnt about Jimmy, not a lot we didnt already know

Tremlett has been the most inpressive of the English bowlers



As I have said previously, its the English disease to build someone up when they are doing well. Vik Marks will be the first calling for his head if India beat us at home and Jimmy struggles

The best time to pick fault, is when you are doing well. This series has done nothing but paper over the cracks of a very limited english bowling attack
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Theres a few lies in their mind. Pitch was flat as a pancake in Brisbane by early in the second session. In fact traditionally even in the 80s Brisbane as a venue has always had a green top early on the first day and did on the lamentable Hussain bowl first match in 2003?. Its always felt you should opt to bat and get through a tricky first hour. Never has Brisbane in its history been as friendly for the rest of the match. Perth is a lie on your behalf or at least in as much as there was little or no sideways movement from in the match other than perhaps very early on in session 1. It was exactly what you expect from Perth fast and bouncy. From the Daily Telegraphs day 1 report:

"Conditions for batting after lunch were close to ideal. The Fremantle Doctor did not arrive until teatime, and it was not until Australia’s last-wicket pair had wagged their way to 269 for nine that Graeme Swann came on to use it as an offspinner should, from the Gloucester Park end, to maximise his drift away from righthanders. But Hussey alone of Australia’s specialist batsmen remained"

As ive said before batsmen could not have asked for easier conditions in Australia for test matches 1 and 2. For Perth it was faster and bouncier than recent years but a typical Perth 1990s pitch. Only Melbourne for one morning have conditions been easier for bowlers than you would normally expect as conditions in Sydney always have plenty for all types of bowlers. You seem to have been under the mininterpretation that Aussie pitches were all the same - fast, bouncy, nowt for the seamers at any time. You should do your history.

Tremlett has been the most impressive bowler I agree - he will be opening the bowling with Anderson for England for some time to come. Shame for Broad but hes just a notch or two below those two at the moment.
 
I thought he bowled well in the first session without any luck. He beat the bat often and regularly got movement in the air. He was not better than Tremlett, but in the 90 mins I saw, he was much better than Bresnan, who picked up two wickets.

But it is all about wickets and that spell will be forgotten unless he gets amongst then tonight.
 
The Breen Machine said:
Trescothick was England's leading run scorer in the 2005 Ashes and the previous away series in South Africa, he was excellent, scored at least 2 hundreds.
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Tresco was a huge loss to England like. Just shows you, talent is no defence to illness.

CollingwoodFTM said:
Back to Anderson, his test match bowling average peaked at just over 39 vs Sri Lanka in the winter of 2007.

Since then he has taken 143 wickets at a shade over 28.

historically a good test match bowling average was under 30. A great average was under 25, so he's doing OK. He's way from being the best in the World, but he's been the best in England for a while now.

I would take Harmy, Fred, Hoggy and Jones above the current crop, but you can't fault the success they are delivering. For me Swann is the only one who'd replace a bowler from the 2005 series.
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Haway man. Overseas? In Australia?
 
Hetzkes Ballet Teacher said:
Tresco was a huge loss to England like. Just shows you, talent is no defence to illness.



Haway man. Overseas? In Australia?
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Exactly the point. I was looking at his career records recently as much for a bit of tedious banter with EB :lol: and I expected his records against the top nations to be suspect but I was quite shocked at how bad it really was. In Aus and in SA where conditions you would think would be ideal for him his record was horrible.

The benefit of that attack though was that all 4 of them were so different that if one was having a poor day in difficult conditions then someone else would almost certainly be doing the business.
 
Didn't deserve to end up with a 0 in the wickets column today, but an economy rate of under 2 in 20 overs is superb. The Aussies ended up going after Bresnan and Swann they picked up 3 wickets between them, two of which were from loose shots create by the pressure from all of the England bowlers.

Good team effort today I thought.
 
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