James Anderson Watch in Australia

[essex boy]

Brian Lara tortured them in a series in the late 90's, single handedly carried the Windies to a series draw.

A lot of the Indian's such as Tendulkar and Laxman have good records against them.

Vaughan has to be up there for that series though, he was sheer class.

individual knocks such as Laxman without question, but to do it consistently over a series was something else.

Your right about Lara. Best batsman of the last 20 years IMO. He actually made his runs with panache and style, whereas someone like Tendulkar more eeks them out and is more textbook but not as good to watch

 

[The Breen Machine]

I would also add that Asif is a very good bowler and exactly the type that would have Vaughan number. In fact I think he might have done last time they toured although i'm not certain.

He didn't, Vaughan was injured all summer, although I share your sentiment he could have struggled. 80mph full awayswingers tended to do for Vaughan more often than they should.

 

[essex boy]

He didn't, Vaughan was injured all summer, although I share your sentiment he could have struggled. 80mph full awayswingers tended to do for Vaughan more often than they should.[/QUOTE]

good job he never faced Jimmy

 

[The Breen Machine]

individual knocks such as Laxman without question, but to do it consistently over a series was something else.

Your right about Lara. Best batsman of the last 20 years IMO. He actually made his runs with panache and style, whereas someone like Tendulkar more eeks them out and is more textbook but not as good to watch

We agree again

Lara is the greatest for me, obviously can't compare him to Bradman due to age issues but the way he scored his runs was the mark of a genius IMO, you set a field to cover a gap and he would hit through the gap created from moving the field. A true class act and has never had the credit he deserved.

 

[rentaghost]

Big game player would make batting look easy against the greatest and struggle against Ponting.

Did any one individual play as well against the Aussies over a 20 year period when they were as good in a series as Vaughan did?

I dont think anyone did - it was Bradmanesque. I still cant see how you can use such a tiny snapshot of someones career in a series we were hammered as proof that he was a player that could be relied on in do or die situations

 

[essex boy]

I dont think anyone did - it was Bradmanesque. I still cant see how you can use such a tiny snapshot of someones career in a series we were hammered as proof that he was a player that could be relied on in do or die situations

moments define a players career.

The Oval in 2007, didnt show up

South Africa away, last game didnt show up

When you look back in history, the talk will be about how we beat the Aussies in a must win game to win the Ashes at the Oval. Poeple will look at the scorecard and see Jimmy 0-100 over the game. They wont remember Jimmy taking 4 in Egbaston in a rain effected draw 20 years or so down the line.

If you cant accept this point, fair enough

We agree again

Lara is the greatest for me, obviously can't compare him to Bradman due to age issues but the way he scored his runs was the mark of a genius IMO, you set a field to cover a gap and he would hit through the gap created from moving the field. A true class act and has never had the credit he deserved.

nothing I like more than engaging in debate with someone such as yourself and Rentaghost who offer opinions and back them up rather than jumping on the bandwagon and offering soundbites without actually offering anything to the debate

what the cricket forum use to be about

 

[rentaghost]

moments define a players career.

The Oval in 2007, didnt show up

South Africa away, last game didnt show up

When you look back in history, the talk will be about how we beat the Aussies in a must win game to win the Ashes at the Oval. Poeple will look at the scorecard and see Jimmy 0-100 over the game. They wont remember Jimmy taking 4 in Egbaston in a rain effected draw 20 years or so down the line.

If you cant accept this point, fair enough



nothing I like more than engaging in debate with someone such as yourself and Rentaghost who offer opinions and back them up rather than jumping on the bandwagon and offering soundbites without actually offering anything to the debate

what the cricket forum use to be about

Your opinions werent about Jimmy - they were about players who in match defining situations are proven performers. You claimed Broad was and could give a single example outside the Oval and Vaughan where you havent given a single example

 

[essex boy]

Your opinions werent about Jimmy - they were about players who in match defining situations are proven performers. You claimed Broad was and could give a single example outside the Oval and Vaughan where you havent given a single example

I havent started looking yet mate

 

[The Breen Machine]

nothing I like more than engaging in debate with someone such as yourself and Rentaghost who offer opinions and back them up rather than jumping on the bandwagon and offering soundbites without actually offering anything to the debate

what the cricket forum use to be about

Same here, it's what makes this board the best on the forum. You remind me of my Dad more than anything, we argue like cat and mouse on cricket issues, although he does tend to fall into the soundbites category rather than informed views

 

[essex boy]

Same here, it's what makes this board the best on the forum. You remind me of my Dad more than anything, we argue like cat and mouse on cricket issues, although he does tend to fall into the soundbites category rather than informed views

does he rate Jimmy?

 

[The Breen Machine]

does he rate Jimmy?

The miserable twat rates no fucker

 

[essex boy]

The miserable twat rates no fucker

we will get on well.

watching that Michael Holding you tube video someone postedand the batsman facing it with no lid puts into context some of the performances of Jimmy and Co.

not fit to lace the boots of someone like holding

 

[The Breen Machine]

we will get on well.

watching that Michael Holding you tube video someone postedand the batsman facing it with no lid puts into context some of the performances of Jimmy and Co.

not fit to lace the boots of someone like holding

Yes, definitley sounding like him there

 

[dangermows]

mate, if you think there wasnt much in it, fair enough, I dont feel its worthy of a response tbh. The fact Jimmy couldnt get a game says it all

the question wasnt neccesarily about jimmy marra. i meant overall. i do agree the 2005 was better. but not by a huge margin (in my opinion) if you take the players form at the time.

 

[essex boy]

the question wasnt neccesarily about jimmy marra. i meant overall. i do agree the 2005 was better. but not by a huge margin (in my opinion) if you take the players form at the time.

we have scraped past a very ordinary Aussie side in 2009 and distinctly poor one in 2010/11

that isnt a good prelude to trying to beat the greatest side ever

if you feel there wasnt much difference, fair enough, its your opinion but its not a debate I will be getting into

 

[dangermows]

Hang on a minute - I was responding to you claiming Vaughan was a match winner someone like KP won England games in pressure situations. You then give an example on someone who batted sensationally in a series where we had lost the Ashes after 3 tests

Vaughan batsmanship over theere was close to the best ive seen and against great opposition but that wasnt your argument.

spot on.

contradicting himself yet again.

when it comes to jimmy, he always says "when did he take a load of wickets where england went on to win?"

yet vaughan does well and we go on to get hammered, but thats alright. ffs

 

[essex boy]

spot on.

contradicting himself yet again.

when it comes to jimmy, he always says "when did he take a load of wickets where england went on to win?"

yet vaughan does well and we go on to get hammered, but thats alright. ffs

ok so when has Jimmy ever ran through sides every game in a series against the top ranked side at the time when everyone else has struggled..


answer - he hasnt

 

[dangermows]

we have scraped past a very ordinary Aussie side in 2009 and distinctly poor one in 2010/11

that isnt a good prelude to trying to beat the greatest side ever

if you feel there wasnt much difference, fair enough, its your opinion but its not a debate I will be getting into

the bit you are missing is 'judging the players on their form at the time'.

anyway, remember, i very much doubt we would have won the 2005 ashes had mcgrath not been snipered by a rugby ball.

i dont think you can doubt that trott at present is batting better than vaughan was at ther time of the 2005 series. id also suggest that prior is better than jones. cook or tresc tough call. swann pisses on giles and harmy was hit and miss then.

 

[rentaghost]

moments define a players career.

The Oval in 2007, didnt show up

South Africa away, last game didnt show up

When you look back in history, the talk will be about how we beat the Aussies in a must win game to win the Ashes at the Oval. Poeple will look at the scorecard and see Jimmy 0-100 over the game. They wont remember Jimmy taking 4 in Egbaston in a rain effected draw 20 years or so down the line.

If you cant accept this point, fair enough



nothing I like more than engaging in debate with someone such as yourself and Rentaghost who offer opinions and back them up rather than jumping on the bandwagon and offering soundbites without actually offering anything to the debate

what the cricket forum use to be about

This isnt a dig at you I promise however the point you make is only really valid to people who have little or partial interest in the game. Career defining moments mean nothing - Mark Butcher will be remembered for his 173 against the Aussies but in the scheme of things its what you do over your career. Dean Headley will be remembered for a great match winning performance in Sydney and Peter Taylor the Aussie spinner picked from oblivion will be remembered for taking 10 wickets in a match beating England. Jimmy Anderson has played a key role in winning and retaining the Ashes with game changing performances in 3 test match wins at Lords, Adelaide and Melbourne. Hes bowling better than ever and has more successes to come.

 

[dangermows]

ok so when has Jimmy ever ran through sides every game in a series against the top ranked side at the time when everyone else has struggled..

answer - he hasnt

im going to morph into you for a minute. what use was vaughans knock ultimately? we got absolutely humped.

This isnt a dig at you I promise however the point you make is only really valid to people who have little or partial interest in the game. Career defining moments mean nothing - Mark Butcher will be remembered for his 173 against the Aussies but in the scheme of things its what you do over your career. Dean Headley will be remembered for a great match winning performance in Sydney and Peter Taylor the Aussie spinner picked from oblivion will be remembered for taking 10 wickets in a match beating England. Jimmy Anderson has played a key role in winning and retaining the Ashes with game changing performances in 3 test match wins at Lords, Adelaide and Melbourne. Hes bowling better than ever and has more successes to come.

very good post.

didnt monty absolutely tear through pakistans top order (of classy batsmen)?so he will no doubt go down as an all time great