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UEFA multi club ownership, Sunderland, Monaco and Juan Sartori.


Kent Boy 2 said:
Yep. The 2 families that we have involved as owners of the club at the moment, are worth >£10bn between them, and are proper football people (owners of Monaco & ex-owners of Marseille). And because it’s private money it can be spent without as much scrutiny as some others. I love that KLD’s wife is at most games, that his mum was at the Chelsea game, and that Sartori’s wife was also at the Chelsea game. If even the owners are treating it as a family club, imagine what it must feel like for the players.
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Sartori's whole family were at the home match against the Mags.
 
chriswallace85 said:
Bit of a radged comment this one.

He's a 36% co-owner of the club, clearly has a good relationship with KLD, and has overseen our rise from League 1 to European football.

He's quite clearly invested in the club.
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I keep seeing comments like this and it baffles me. We currently have what appears to be the best ownership group in a generation and some on here want to get rid of a substantial part of it .
Maybe those who keep asking for Sartori to leave should fuck off themselves as they will never if they live a thousand years , put into the club the investment he has .
 
Roker Mackem said:
As said, it was sort of a side door. Man City winning both cups allowed us in. Only 6th gets Europe normally.
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Previous season, Forest got in to Europa in 7th like us, Chelsea into Conference in 8th (like Brighton this season), so what is normal? England's high coefficient to get an extra Champions League place each season pushes the Europa qualification down a place and then the likelihood of one of the top 7 winning one or both of the domestic cup competitions. It's hardly a freaky set of circumstances
 
Rob said:
Previous season, Forest got in to Europa in 7th like us, Chelsea into Conference in 8th (like Brighton this season), so what is normal? England's high coefficient to get an extra Champions League place each season pushes the Europa qualification down a place and then the likelihood of one of the top 7 winning one or both of the domestic cup competitions. It's hardly a freaky set of circumstances
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Indeed Rob
 
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Roker Mackem said:
As said, it was sort of a side door. Man City winning both cups allowed us in. Only 6th gets Europe normally.
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A quick look at the history books tells me 9th place got into Europe a year ago. A team called Newcastle United even finished 5th out of 20 and were allowed to play in the Champions League. In fact they have not been Champions of England for 99 ywaes. Rather odd don't you think ?
 
thamesvalleyman said:
A quick look at the history books tells me 9th place got into Europe a year ago. A team called Newcastle United even finished 5th out of 20 and were allowed to play in the Champions League. In fact they have not been Champions of England for 99 ywaes. Rather odd don't you think ?
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Indeed, bit farcical really
 
thamesvalleyman said:
A quick look at the history books tells me 9th place got into Europe a year ago. A team called Newcastle United even finished 5th out of 20 and were allowed to play in the Champions League. In fact they have not been Champions of England for 99 ywaes. Rather odd don't you think ?
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A year ago? I think you're mistaken as only the top 7 got into Europe and it was 9 teams in total got in to Europe with Palace 12th (FA Cup) and Spurs 17th (winning Europa League).

Roker Mackem said:
As said, it was sort of a side door. Man City winning both cups allowed us in. Only 6th gets Europe normally.
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It's normally 4 places for CL, 1 place for Europa for the league and that's it. The FA Cup gets the 2nd Europa League place and the League Cup gets the Conference place. We now get the 5th for CL due to co-efficient and it's usually 1 of the top 5 winning the cups so makes it down to 7th. If an English team wins a European competition then it can potentially push the league places down a bit more, sometimes at the cost of another league place. For example Villa finishing 5th would have meant no Europa place for 6th as it simple became CL instead).

As for the Champions League name, I don't take it literally but even so they should really rename it but it's not as if it's a new thing. It was Champions of leagues across Europe for the first 6 seasons until 1997/98 as it then allowed 8 of the 2nd placed teams to get in via the playoffs. Guess who got in that season? 🤪 Aye it was the mags and they got into the groups stages and had the win against Barcelona 3-2 etc but didn't get into the knockouts.
 
People do like to calamatise things.

Basically if Monaco did get promoted, Sartori would likely have to resign from Monaco. He is too late to put his shares in a blind trust with us, and if he refused to resign (there is no reason he wouldn't), Monaco would get kicked due to both being ahead of them in league placing (this would be the decider) and league coefficient, and would likely sack him anyway.

Life is good in Sunderland. Let's enjoy it for at least one summer.
 
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