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University student stabbed

John the Savage said:
The fact they believed the brown skinned lad and dismissed the white lad lying on the floor bleeding-out should give you the answer.

To paraphrase Badenoch this morning: there has been an over-correction in police response to this sort of thing since George Floyd -and it's created two-tier policing.
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Or the fact they believed what 4 or 5 people were all telling him over 1 man on his own? The fact that they used the "racist" card is no proof of anything with regards to the copper's judgment. It just serves as a guarantee that Farage and the rest of them will use it to further their own political agendas.
 
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brains said:
Easy to say that when you aren't involved. It's a 2 minute video we have seen. How do you know what the other officers have or haven't said to their superiors on return to the station? I don't think it's fair to judge all of them based on one officer's actions and comments...
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What good does mentioning things back in the station over a cuppa do? Can suggest as many hypotheticals as you want marra but they’ll be getting no sympathy from me, just how I feel on it
 
Think the point is
A young lad was killed by a f***ing looney
The first policeman’s actions were disgusting
The kid wasn’t moving on the floor now if you can not assess that situation you’re not very good at your job.
Being read your rights as you die whilst still handcuffed is an awful way to go
His family have had to see it.
A shitty 21 year sentence for a killer who’s taken a life
A killers family also covering it up

Now I hope justice is served with the family the killer gets a stronger sentence and the investigation into the police is taken very serious
 
tunstallhill said:
You could say 'he believed the person who dialled 999 and made the original accusation and dismissed the person who didn't ring 999"

You can frame it any which way. You are framing it to suit your pre-determined position
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Pre-determined?
The facts are -police turned up believed Digwa; assessed nothing, ignored a young lad writhing in agony and dying in front of them- ignored his pleas and cuffed him. What planet are you on?
The job of the police is to assess situations first; establish the facts -they didn't do any of that.
 
Visiting owl said:
Oh please, your posting history is littered with narrative like this.

I mean in your opinion this wouldn't even be a story if it wasn't for the right wing press.🤣
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I'm sure it would be a story because it's very sad, however if you read into companies like Cambridge analytica and you will see how it works, it's subtle but powerful.

I don't think the reaction from people like yourself would be so strong if you hadn't been moulded over years and years of news stories and social media algorithms preparing you for an instance just like that for it to lead to confirmation bias, I'm sure in your case it won't lead to you hurting anyone.

However it will eventually lead to some protests and possibly riots and or deaths and strokes the flames of dividing us from other humans based on some ethnic differences. Our society is currently in a race to become the biggest victim and maybe we have felt a bit left behind being white and now it's our turn to have a go and pretend we're the victims here when in actual fact the real victim and his family are the ones that suffered and are suffering, not me and you and not the thousands of people commenting on the news or under every reform politicians social media accounts thriving in their rage.
 
John the Savage said:
Pre-determined?
The facts are -police turned up believed Digwa; assessed nothing, ignored a young ad writhing in agony and dying in front of them- ignored his pleas and cuffed him. What planet are you on?
The job of the police is to assess situations first; establish the facts -they didn't do any of that.
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Agreed.

Your previous post was all about skin colour tho
 
John the Savage said:
Pre-determined?
The facts are -police turned up believed Digwa; assessed nothing, ignored a young lad writhing in agony and dying in front of them- ignored his pleas and cuffed him. What planet are you on?
The job of the police is to assess situations first; establish the facts -they didn't do any of that.
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Actually they did, the cuffed him then once they saw her been stabbed gave treatment and called and ambulance they literally assessed the situation and called for medical help.
 
They arrived with a pre-conception. Basically, the lesson I’ve learned from this is if a brown bloke accused a white bloke of racism with zero evidence whatsoever the white bloke was ending up in cuffs as long as that copper was on the scene. Whether they’re dying, sober, drunk whatever. There is no other explanation for it. Any one with any proper training or even common sense with zero pre-conceptions could see the state he was in. He’s premeditated the situation he thought he would find and not reacted to the one he did find. Why did he have that pre-conception? Personal? Institutional training? I think people know the answer they’re just scared of facing it.
 
Super Mario said:
Actually they did, the cuffed him then once they saw her been stabbed gave treatment and called and ambulance they literally assessed the situation and called for medical help.
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No he should have assessed the situation before

Did you watch the video

If the lads on the floor with blood in his mouth and not moving saying he can’t breath and he’s been stabbed.

What would you do the million pound question
A) handcuff him
B) check him instantly
C) spit on him
D) give him a little kick
 
Super Mario said:
Actually they did, the cuffed him then once they saw her been stabbed gave treatment and called and ambulance they literally assessed the situation and called for medical help.
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Nothing was assessed -how could you miss someone dying in front of you -he told them 9 times -9 times dismissed then cuffed -that's not an assessment of the situation, it's dereliction, wilful neglect of this lad's needs -why? because an accusation of racism meant everything else should be ignored -all logic, common sense and professionalism.
 
mackem1989 said:
No he should have assessed the situation before

Did you watch the video

If the lads on the floor with blood in his mouth and not moving saying he can’t breath and he’s been stabbed.

What would you do the million pound question
A) handcuff him
B) check him instantly
C) spit on him
D) give him a little kick
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The SMB would go in the order of D, C, A then about half an hour later.. B
 
Safc98 said:
They arrived with a pre-conception. Basically, the lesson I’ve learned from this is if a brown bloke accused a white bloke of racism with zero evidence whatsoever the white bloke was ending up in cuffs as long as that copper was on the scene. Whether they’re dying, sober, drunk whatever. There is no other explanation for it. Any one with any proper training or even common sense with zero pre-conceptions could see the state he was in. He’s premeditated the situation he thought he would find and not reacted to the one he did find. Why did he have that pre-conception? Personal? Institutional training? I think people know the answer they’re just scared of facing it.
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They arrived with a pre-conception based on a 999 call that had stated what had allegedly taken place (lies) and the police were greeted with a group of people all saying the same thing and one man lay on the floor. I think it's quite normal for the police to initially form some kind of bias based on several people at the scene corroborating what has been said.

But I still think the officer should have dealt with the situation better when he is met with an almost motionless body and the victim stating he couldn't breathe and has been stabbed. This part is a big failing. But it's easy to say that the copper made the mistake "because the family played the racism card"...

The poor lad has lost his life and wankers like Farage are more concerned with politicising the police force for political points scoring and to sow division and possibly incite civil unrest...
 
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Grimes said:
What good does mentioning things back in the station over a cuppa do? Can suggest as many hypotheticals as you want marra but they’ll be getting no sympathy from me, just how I feel on it
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The female officer questioned the need to check for injuries and was dismissed by the male officer with a quick, “no”
 
John the Savage said:
Nothing was assessed -how could you miss someone dying in front of you -he told them 9 times -9 times dismissed then cuffed -that's not an assessment of the situation, it's dereliction, wilful neglect of this lad's needs -why? because an accusation of racism meant everything else should be ignored -all logic, common sense and professionalism.
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I don't think you're applying any logic to this at all tbh, once they saw that he had been stabbed they called him and ambulance, in other words they assessed the risks once they had who they thought was the perpetrator in handcuffs once they saw he was the victim they provided emergency intervention, and as I have said before you have no evidence to suggest the colour of anyone's skin impacted on any decisions made, and the most probable reason for that was that skin colour had no bearing on any decisions made.
 
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