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Can Hearts do it?

awful decision.

Var did its job though to be fair.

Stopped the game aswell instead of waiting for ages for the ball to go out of play.

I hate var for the fans experiencing the ground and the time it takes and multiple angles they have to still come to the wrong conclusion in so many cases that seem straight forward.

The biggest problem will always be that the idiots who are reffing the games are the same idiots that are in control of var.

And we are amazed that the decisions are idiotic in a lot of cases.

Refs and officials are a certain type and I’ll never be convinced otherwise.
They seem to regularly see the game different to 95% of players, pundits,journalists and fans. It’s depressing.

Most fans would probably accept that decision by the ref if he only had one look.
When he gets pulled back and watches 2 different angles and still gets it wrong shows how bad they are
 
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Buzzers boot boy said:
awful decision.

Var did its job though to be fair.

Stopped the game aswell instead of waiting for ages for the ball to go out of play.

I hate var for the fans experiencing the ground and the time it takes and multiple angles they have to still come to the wrong conclusion in so many cases that seem straight forward.

The biggest problem will always be that the idiots who are reffing the games are the same idiots that are in control of var.

And we are amazed that the decisions are idiotic in a lot of cases.

Refs and officials are a certain type and I’ll never be convinced otherwise.
They seem to regularly see the game different to 95% of players, pundits,journalists and fans. It’s depressing.
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No way that's a clear pen from the footage available. Ref was spot on. Asked for better/different angles. Didn't have it so stuck with no pen. I'm sure some are just looking for conspiracy angles.
 
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dangermows said:
I don't think it’s clear that he does.
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For me.

The player goes down before the ball is in his possession because he’s been stood on.

The lad is clumsy and for me it looks 99% certain that he stands on his foot mate when the ball isn’t near him.
He’s panicked because he’s meant to be blocking that run.

I’m not sure what you’re looking at that doesn’t point to a foul here mate.

If that was safc you’d be screaming for that surely.
 
Buzzers boot boy said:
For me.

The player goes down before the ball is in his possession because he’s been stood on.

The lad is clumsy and for me it looks 99% certain that he stands on his foot mate when the ball isn’t near him.
He’s panicked because he’s meant to be blocking that run.

I’m not sure what you’re looking at that doesn’t point to a foul here mate.

If that was safc you’d be screaming for that surely.
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Does look a little clumsy tbf but I don't think there's enough in it to say a deliberate foul/that he has definitely stood on his foot. The angles and footage aren't great, which is what the ref is pointing out.

I don't think I would marra. And then I'd be called a WUM for it. Happened when one of our players got nudged in the back at the back post when a cross came in iirc and everyone was saying it was nailed on. Again there was some contact but not enough, IMO, to over turn.

I think people these days want a foul for any sort of contact after watching a slo-mo.
 
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dangermows said:
Does look a little clumsy tbf but I don't think there's enough in it to say a deliberate foul/that he has definitely stood on his foot. The angles and footage aren't great, which is what the ref is pointing out.

I don't think I would marra. And then I'd be called a WUM for it. Happened when one of our players got nudged in the back at the back post when a cross came in iirc and everyone was saying it was nailed on. Again there was some contact but not enough, IMO, to over turn.

I think people these days want a foul for any sort of contact after watching a slo-mo.
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Fair enough. I think it’s a clear foul but game is all about opinions.
 
dangermows said:
Well done the ref. Not enough evidence to suggest he'd missed a pen call. Exactly how it's supposed to be.
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Except for clear video evidence of a trip sure.

The most concerning thing about the var review program is the head of refereeing in Scotland can stand in front of an image that shows the officials made a mistake and say it proves them right, it’s like he hasn’t looked at the laws of the game and gets it wrong, this isn’t a hearts, rangers or Celtic take he shouldn’t be in the job
dangermows said:
I don't think its clear that he does.
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dangermows said:
Does look a little clumsy tbf but I don't think there's enough in it to say a deliberate foul/that he has definitely stood on his foot. The angles and footage aren't great, which is what the ref is pointing out.

I don't think I would marra. And then I'd be called a WUM for it. Happened when one of our players got nudged in the back at the back post when a cross came in iirc and everyone was saying it was nailed on. Again there was some contact but not enough, IMO, to over turn.

I think people these days want a foul for any sort of contact after watching a slo-mo.
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Doesn’t have to be deliberate
 
Buzzers boot boy said:
He stands on his foot mate and is nowhere near the ball
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dangermows said:
I don't think its clear that he does.
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The Motherwell player doesn't stand on the Hearts player's foot as his ankle is already in the air when the Motherwell player plants his foot (this is what VAR/red mention and they freeze it at point of contact as shown the end of gif below). The Motherwell player actually clips his ankle and you see his right leg stride is knocked over so his right foot clips the back of his left calf.

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I see there is a Scottish version of Howard Webb given some of the shite he comes out with for the 3 decisions here I've mentioned. The 1st is the above trip but you can see hear the ref asking questions and VAR are answering but yet again it's an example of why they should have the main ref in the video room as it would improve VAR a lot more and cut out this Clear & Obvious shite also.

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I looked at the Celtic handball decision that starts at 35 secs (
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to go direct to it). Given the shite he comes out with in answer to the question at 3:48 as to why his hand is there anyway (bearing in mind it's a fully natural jump shown at 24 secs) and then at 5:09 when it's pointed out the ball would hit his head anyway.

This is the angle shown at 1 min zoomed in and puts to bed the "Did it really hit his hand?" debate to bed". It's the decision itself after that is ridiculous given the Celtic player jumps after and then into the Motherwell player's elbow, causing his arm to stay up and hand to go in that direction.

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As for the Hearts handball they didn't get against Motherwell, what the fuck is VAR talking about it being above the T-shirt line when the law is the armpit line? You even hear the ref say "It was the shoulder to the t-shirt line" & "I saw it clearly" and the VAR saying "Exactly as described Stevey". Yet even in the shitty looped gif below it's clear it hits the bottom of the sleeve but most of the ball is below the sleeve and near the elbow, bearing in mind hand ball is the arm pit line, and it's nowhere near the shoulder. Yet that Nicholson knacker defends the decision, ignoring the handball law and the way the player also moved his arm up and towards the ball. This is shown at 15 mins in the video or click
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This is what causes the shit with VAR as they don't call decisions as they should and it creates too much inconsistency. They then make it worse when they come out with shite like this to try their best to justify why the decision was made rather than saying what most can see. VAR often describe what they think happens and then the ref has to make a decision. He's watching a few replays, sometimes not all angles, on a barely 20" screen and doesn't have the 'luxury' of all view that VAR (and TV viewers have seen) as he just sees a few replays in poorer viewing conditions than a comfy room with big monitors.

 
dangermows said:
Does look a little clumsy tbf but I don't think there's enough in it to say a deliberate foul/that he has definitely stood on his foot. The angles and footage aren't great, which is what the ref is pointing out.

I don't think I would marra. And then I'd be called a WUM for it. Happened when one of our players got nudged in the back at the back post when a cross came in iirc and everyone was saying it was nailed on. Again there was some contact but not enough, IMO, to over turn.

I think people these days want a foul for any sort of contact after watching a slo-mo.
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Tbh on the angle he got , thats a clear as penalty as Celtic get the week after with only one angle

I think that's the main issue
 
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The Motherwell player doesn't stand on the Hearts player's foot as his ankle is already in the air when the Motherwell player plants his foot (this is what VAR/red mention and they freeze it at point of contact as shown the end of gif below). The Motherwell player actually clips his ankle and you see his right leg stride is knocked over so his right foot clips the back of his left calf.

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Good work. Confirms what I said despite others saying it's clear that he stands on his foot. Ref asked for better images as it wasn't clear. There wasn't any. Ref got it correct to stay with his decision.
Brett said:
Tbh on the angle he got , thats a clear as penalty as Celtic get the week after with only one angle

I think that's the main issue
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Well for me, looking at the images they saw of the two I think the handball is an easier call. I said it at the time and still think it. And I'm someone with zero love for Celtic.
 
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