University student stabbed

[Biffo The Bear]

Lots of back pedalling going on now,

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I only know what I have read on the BBC but I think a charge of manslaughter might be appropriate for the constables involved.

More chance of me winning tonight’s Euromillions and being the only ticket holder.
Sacked is as severe as any punishment will go and I seriously doubt that as well.

 

[John Steed]

Where does it say that ? I'm not saying your lying I just haven't seen it reported officially

Read any of the trial reports and it tells you what happened. There's one on the thread from the BBC directly above your post. Maybe you'll believe that source if you don't believe the hundreds of others that are out there.

 

[Alfies Hat]

Lefties hate anything like this. Absolutely hate it.

You shouldn't tar all lefties with the same brush.

 

[johnlights]

You shouldn't tar all lefties with the same brush.

You should. Theyre dangerous.

 

[Alfies Hat]

You should. Theyre dangerous.

I don't think I'm dangerous.
Just want a fair society.

 

[johnlights]

I don't think I'm dangerous.
Just want a fair society.

I want a golden pig that shits diamonds.
That's not gonna happen either.

 

[palm 1]

There absolutely is no reason whatsoever to handcuff someone who is dying in front of you.

That’s what I keep getting at here . None of this makes sense and I can’t believe in any scenario that cops would arrest and handcuff a person who they “knew” was badly injured. You can’t even take an injured person into custody , he wouldn’t be accepted .

All I can think of is that they didn’t understand the scene when they got there and have initially acted on the call , the lies told by the offender and his family and hadn’t realised the lad was badly injured .

To suggest that cops are arresting dying kids because they they have been indoctrinated by some racial two tier system is just crazy .

I think some posters think I’m trying to justify or defend the cops but I’m not , I just don’t get it and need the full context.

I look forward to the enquiry .

Rattled

That sort of reply should definitely be kept to the politics forum . Wumming over such a serious incident is pretty low like .

 

[Pickle Rick]

That’s what I keep getting at here . None of this makes sense and I can’t believe in any scenario that cops would arrest and handcuff a person who they “knew” was badly injured. You can’t even take an injured person into custody , he wouldn’t be accepted .

All I can think of is that they didn’t understand the scene when they got there and have initially acted on the call , the lies told by the offender and his family and hadn’t realised the lad was badly injured .

To suggest that cops are arresting dying kids because they they have been indoctrinated by some racial two tier system is just crazy .

I think some posters think I’m trying to justify or defend the cops but I’m not , I just don’t get it and need the full context.

I look forward to the enquiry .

Exactly this - Cops aren't trained on some racial two tier system. They is no 'woke' agenda that cops on the ground work towards and I absolutely guarantee that walking (or running) towards a scene, they won't be thinking about 'taking one side over the other' or favouring the accusation from one colour of skin over the accusation or another.

What cops are these days however, is far too young, naive, inexperienced, and lacking in any sort of common sense.
Couple this with the fact that most police organisations are extremely poorly run, with terrible promotion processes, meaning individuals are promoted far beyond their own competency.
Add into the mix that police training for officers is, in this modern age, woefully lacking and not fit for purpose.

What you get is well intentioned kids, who have absolutely fuck all knowledge, expertise or experience to deal with situations like this. Its a recipe for disaster.

 

[Hugh Gains]

Gelders green cctv released within an hour

Nothing here

Two tier

 

[Pickle Rick]

Gelders green catch released within an hour

Nothing here

Two tier

You talking in riddles or something?

 

[tunstallhill]

Exactly this - Cops aren't trained on some racial two tier system. They is no 'woke' agenda that cops on the ground work towards and I absolutely guarantee that walking (or running) towards a scene, they won't be thinking about 'taking one side over the other' or favouring the accusation from one colour of skin over the accusation or another.

What cops are these days however, is far too young, naive, inexperienced, and lacking in any sort of common sense.
Couple this with the fact that most police organisations are extremely poorly run, with terrible promotion processes, meaning individuals are promoted far beyond their own competency.
Add into the mix that police training for officers is, in this modern age, woefully lacking and not fit for purpose.

What you get is well intentioned kids, who have absolutely fuck all knowledge, expertise or experience to deal with situations like this. Its a recipe for disaster.

i don't know the age or experience of the coppers but it sounds far from straight forward, and in the heat of the moment they've made a terrible judgement

The court heard how Digwa lied to police, telling them he had been attacked but not letting officers know that Nowak had been hurt.

It was his brother Gurpreet Digwa who made the 999 call and repeatedly told police that his sibling had been "attacked racially", the court heard.

He told officers the brothers were restraining Nowak, saying "I can't let him go until this gets sorted".

"We're Sikhs, we wear a turban and he's just attacked my brother," Gurpreet Digwa said.

He added there were no weapons involved, telling police: "I don't know what weapons he would have seen".

Police initially handcuffed the victim before discovering his fatal injury a short time later.

Temporary deputy chief constable France told the BBC: "This was an extremely complex investigation and actually the scene itself was extremely complex when officers arrived.

"They were lied to in the 999 call by Henry's killer, they were lied to as they arrived at the scene and we know that as a result they didn't understand what had happened for several minutes and that is an absolute tragedy."

He said the force had referred itself to the IOPC.

"It is a tragedy that officers did not immediately understand what had happened to Henry," he said. "I'm sorry that he had been handcuffed and arrested as he lost consciousness. I don't want to hide the facts. I want people to understand the full facts."

the sikh bloke and his brother, and their mam, are the real villains here

 

[Pickle Rick]

i don't know the age or experience of the coppers but it sounds far from straight forward, and in the heat of the moment they've made a terrible judgement

The court heard how Digwa lied to police, telling them he had been attacked but not letting officers know that Nowak had been hurt.

It was his brother Gurpreet Digwa who made the 999 call and repeatedly told police that his sibling had been "attacked racially", the court heard.

He told officers the brothers were restraining Nowak, saying "I can't let him go until this gets sorted".

"We're Sikhs, we wear a turban and he's just attacked my brother," Gurpreet Digwa said.

He added there were no weapons involved, telling police: "I don't know what weapons he would have seen".

Police initially handcuffed the victim before discovering his fatal injury a short time later.

Temporary deputy chief constable France told the BBC: "This was an extremely complex investigation and actually the scene itself was extremely complex when officers arrived.

"They were lied to in the 999 call by Henry's killer, they were lied to as they arrived at the scene and we know that as a result they didn't understand what had happened for several minutes and that is an absolute tragedy."

He said the force had referred itself to the IOPC.

"It is a tragedy that officers did not immediately understand what had happened to Henry," he said. "I'm sorry that he had been handcuffed and arrested as he lost consciousness. I don't want to hide the facts. I want people to understand the full facts."

the sikh bloke and his brother, and their mam, are the real villains here

I don't dispute who the real villians are and I don't dispute the fact it was probably a not very straight forward situation.

I was talking more generally about the state of policing, which I get there is a time and a place for, especially without knowing the respectively experience levels of the officers involved.

That being said, I have a small criticism of the statement released by the Police talking about the fact the officers were 'lied' to.

EVERYONE lies. Police get lied to all the time - it's part and parcel of the job - what you don't do is take those lies at face value EVER. Assess what you have in front of you, don't immediately hadcuff the guy thats on the floor saying he's been stabbed.

It's interesting to me that they chose to believe one story and dismiss another as one one of them was lying. Naivety. Poor judgement. Poor training


(Just FYI I have been vocal on this account and my previous one as PulseSAFC. Up until 4 weeks ago, I was a Detective and had been for 11 years before I left. I know cops and I know the intricacies of attending incidents similar to this one)

 

[tunstallhill]

I don't dispute who the real villians are and I don't dispute the fact it was probably a not very straight forward situation.

I was talking more generally about the state of policing, which I get there is a time and a place for, especially without knowing the respectively experience levels of the officers involved.

That being said, I have a small criticism of the statement released by the Police talking about the fact the officers were 'lied' to.

EVERYONE lies. Police get lied to all the time - it's part and parcel of the job - what you don't do is take those lies at face value EVER. Assess what you have in front of you, don't immediately hadcuff the guy thats on the floor saying he's been stabbed.

It's interesting to me that they chose to believe one story and dismiss another as one one of them was lying. Naivety. Poor judgement. Poor training


(Just FYI I have been vocal on this account and my previous one as PulseSAFC. Up until 4 weeks ago, I was a Detective and had been for 11 years before I left. I know cops and I know the intricacies of attending incidents similar to this one)

completely agree with you. i think the police made a total mess of it.

but there isn't some sort of two-tier agenda.

 

[John Steed]

That’s what I keep getting at here . None of this makes sense and I can’t believe in any scenario that cops would arrest and handcuff a person who they “knew” was badly injured. You can’t even take an injured person into custody , he wouldn’t be accepted .

All I can think of is that they didn’t understand the scene when they got there and have initially acted on the call , the lies told by the offender and his family and hadn’t realised the lad was badly injured .

To suggest that cops are arresting dying kids because they they have been indoctrinated by some racial two tier system is just crazy .

I think some posters think I’m trying to justify or defend the cops but I’m not , I just don’t get it and need the full context.

I look forward to the enquiry .

That sort of reply should definitely be kept to the politics forum . Wumming over such a serious incident is pretty low like .

Well they did quickly understand the scene and then took sides.
The murderer said I've been racially slurred and had my turban knocked off my head. He'd actually removed it himself.
Henry said I've been stabbed, had visible stab wounds and is bleeding. Cop says, for some perverse reason, "no you haven't mate".
The cops choose, I repeat they choose to believe the murderer and handcuff Henry. Henry then collapsed and died due to the severe nature of his injuries.
Hopefully the investigation will ask why did they automatically believe the killer and not the victim. This needs seriously looking at, even though the reason this happened is very obvious.

 

[Pickle Rick]

completely agree with you. i think the police made a total mess of it.

but there isn't some sort of two-tier agenda.

Totally agree - There absolutely isn't and never has been a 'two-tier' approach to police nor to developing the attitudes and culture within policing. It's total nonsense.

 

[palm 1]

Gelders green cctv released within an hour

Nothing here

Two tier

I can see why you think that there is a two tier system coming from our politicians and that this may have filtered down the Police Senior management but it’s highly unlikely that the cops in this scenario were acting “two tier “ . They just fucked up .
Were you shouting two tier at the cops on the ground were dancing on that Pakistani’s head at Manchester ?
Most Cops on the ground are just trying to deal with incidents as they see them .

Well they did quickly understand the scene and then took sides.
The murderer said I've been racially slurred and had my turban knocked off my head. He'd actually removed it himself.
Henry said I've been stabbed, had visible stab wounds and is bleeding. Cop says, for some perverse reason, "no you haven't mate".
The cops choose, I repeat they choose to believe the murderer and handcuff Henry. Henry then collapsed and died due to the severe nature of his injuries.
Hopefully the investigation will ask why did they automatically believe the killer and not the victim. This needs seriously looking at, even though the reason this happened is very obvious.

They obviously didn’t see or understand the injuries that Novak has . Nothing else makes sense . They fucked up .

 

[pavarotti1980]

Well they did quickly understand the scene and then took sides.
The murderer said I've been racially slurred and had my turban knocked off my head. He'd actually removed it himself.
Henry said I've been stabbed, had visible stab wounds and is bleeding. Cop says, for some perverse reason, "no you haven't mate".
The cops choose, I repeat they choose to believe the murderer and handcuff Henry. Henry then collapsed and died due to the severe nature of his injuries.
Hopefully the investigation will ask why did they automatically believe the killer and not the victim. This needs seriously looking at, even though the reason this happened is very obvious.

How do you see internal bleeding, which was what was described by the pathologist?

 

[John Steed]

I can see why you think that there is a two tier system coming from our politicians and that this may have filtered down the Police Senior management but it’s highly unlikely that the cops in this scenario were acting “two tier “ . They just fucked up .
Were you shouting two tier at the cops on the ground were dancing on that Pakistani’s head at Manchester ?
Most Cops on the ground are just trying to deal with incidents as they see them .

They obviously didn’t see or understand the injuries that Novak has . Nothing else makes sense . They fucked up .

Why not check him over to establish if he had been stabbed multiple timrs. After all he had a stab wound to his face so there was clear evidence of injuries.
If the murderer hadn't lied about what had happened the police would have almost certainly believed Henry. They took the killers word at face value but disbelieved Henry. Why was that? Why believe one and not the other?

How do you see internal bleeding, which was what was described by the pathologist?

A stab wound to the face isn't internal.

 

[BarrySheensAutograph]

Can't believe people are defending the Police here, absolutely disgusting

 

[pavarotti1980]

A stab wound to the face isn't internal.

He had a cut to his jaw as reported not a stab wound