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University student stabbed

tunstallhill said:
what is your point ?

the bloke who did the stabbing got caught and prosectued
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There is no “Point” I put the link there for you to read,you think I am trying to make a pro/anti police or an anti/pro stabby man point?I put the link up for you to read,you make the point,you find the hidden meaning,you asked a question earlier I just put the link up for you personally to read.
 

I think it's easy for people to jump to their own conclusions on this without knowing the full facts. The police have a thankless task to police city centres and assaults between people / groups happen regularly

When they arrive at the scene they will have no idea what has happened unless they have been alerted by a cctv operator or the info on a 999 call.

Also if police turn up and one party has been drinking and the other one hasn't...then they would tend to believe the person(s) who haven't been drinking. Rightly or wrongly...

Firstly they will try to break up whatever is happening. If an accusation and counter accusation are made then they should arrest both of them.

Then they should assess the lad to see if he has injuries. Then take him to hospital. So it depends how quickly ot has all played out.

If he's been left too long without assessing his injuries and taking him to hospital then it's a shitshow. But if it's instantly then I don't think they can be to blame.

If they have searched the Sikh and he has no weapon on him and can't see one anywhere then they are making judgements in a fast paced situation.
 
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tunstallhill said:
its clear that the police have turned up, seen one man (non white) with a bloody knife in his hand another man (white) with stab wounds all over him, and have decided to arrest the person with stab wounds on suspicion of racial aggravation as they are so woke that they think being racist is worse than stabbing someone. the coppers easily deduced all the facts of the situation instantly and were scared of being branded racist so they arrested the man who was dying and released the man with the bloody knife
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This will fly over people heads :lol:
 
Frijj said:
You know that wokeness has jumped the shark when the police arrest the victim of a stabbing as he is bleeding out in the street, on suspicion of racism.

It is a cancer upon our society, it blights all common sense, for some reason we have allowed racism (which is a terrible thing) to become public enemy number one. It’s apparently worth letting someone die over.
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I find it hard to believe that even the wokest of police officers, even one who dances with revellers at the Notting Hill carnival, wears rainbow underpants and drinks tea out of a Zak Polanski mug would leave a man bleeding out in the street and do nothing and yet that appears to be your assumption.
Perhaps we should wait for the investigation report before we jump to any conclusions.
 
All of that I am a bad man shit is now the culture of the youth, especially further down South you go and where life is now cheap. It won't be long before these kinds of attitudes spread up north.
 
tunstallhill said:
That's not related to the police actions though is it ? Or is there a suggestion that the police actions contributed to his death ?
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The timings in the article say he walked home at 11...and was pronounced dead at 12.37.

Seems like a long time to have someone with a knife wound and not taken to hospital. But the police will have their own times of when they arrived at the scene etc.
 
tunstallhill said:
That's not related to the police actions though is it ? Or is there a suggestion that the police actions contributed to his death ?
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Reply, isn't the whole suggestion that police actions contributed to his death. That instead of being given proper care and treatment he was arrested.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but that's the entire point right? Or are you being deliberately obtuse?
 
Lil Layne said:
Reply, isn't the whole suggestion that police actions contributed to his death. That instead of being given proper care and treatment he was arrested.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but that's the entire point right? Or are you being deliberately obtuse?
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no, i'm asking a genuine question as i've googled it and there is very little detail on what happened between the coppers turning up, and him being pronounced dead.

i mean for them to even momentarily put cuffs on him, he must have been up and about at that point. and the twat who stabbed him, how did his mam hide the knife? did he run away and hide the knife and return to the scene? or did the police find the victim alone in the street with stab wounds? if so, how would they know he'd been accused of racial aggrivation at that point?

apologies if these details are already in the public domain but i've read a couple of reports and the whole thing just seems like a total mess. any normal person, never mind a copper, if they found a person in the street dying from stab wounds would immediately call for an ambulance surely.

like i said, if the coppers delayed calling an ambulance even by a couple of minutes, and that contributed to the difference between him being saved or not, then they deserve to be investigated and punished accordingly
 
tunstallhill said:
no, i'm asking a genuine question as i've googled it and there is very little detail on what happened between the coppers turning up, and him being pronounced dead.

i mean for them to even momentarily put cuffs on him, he must have been up and about at that point. and the twat who stabbed him, how did his mam hide the knife? did he run away and hide the knife and return to the scene? or did the police find the victim alone in the street with stab wounds? if so, how would they know he'd been accused of racial aggrivation at that point?

apologies if these details are already in the public domain but i've read a couple of reports and the whole thing just seems like a total mess. any normal person, never mind a copper, if they found a person in the street dying from stab wounds would immediately call for an ambulance surely.

like i said, if the coppers delayed calling an ambulance even by a couple of minutes, and that contributed to the difference between him being saved or not, then they deserve to be investigated and punished accordingly
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The Sikh's mam took the knife from the scene. So there was no knife. People nearby heard the disturbance, but it was in an area where there weren't witnesses - only the 2 men. So the police had nothing to go on, other than one man's word against the other and no weapon present.

As you say - the timeline and finer details are essential. How long was he in cuffs for and not checked for a wound?
 
brains said:
The Sikh's mam took the knife from the scene. So there was no knife. People nearby heard the disturbance, but it was in an area where there weren't witnesses - only the 2 men. So the police had nothing to go on, other than one man's word against the other and no weapon present.

As you say - the timeline and finer details are essential. How long was he in cuffs for and not checked for a wound?
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the BBC article gives a bit better of a timeline, but its still not really clear.

the officers in question will have had to fill out a report on the incident so surely in that report they'll give their reason as to why they '' initially handcuffed Nowak and started giving him first aid when he then collapsed''
 
tunstallhill said:
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the BBC article gives a bit better of a timeline, but its still not really clear.

the officers in question will have had to fill out a report on the incident so surely in that report they'll give their reason as to why they '' initially handcuffed Nowak and started giving him first aid when he then collapsed''
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I would have thought that requesting and ambulance should be a priority of someone has a stab wound and there is visible blood on his clothing.

But you are right - would need to hear the officers' accounts and reasoning for their judgement.
38Red said:
This is an ongoing trial. Even the Mail isn't accepting comments
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Thread will probably be gone soon then...
 
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