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Southampton spying compendium thread


JC70 said:
This mess seems to be growing. In addition to boro’s claim, if saints have been doing this all season then any team who dropped points against them and those points would have changed the team’s final league position has a claim. Particularly relegated teams who would have stayed up and any team that would have made the playoffs or even automatic promotion. Wrexham have a definite case for playoffs in place of saints. There’s also league position prize money to consider. And cup games.
A good starting point would be to recalculate the final league table allocating any points dropped against saints back to the teams.
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Maybe only Cov and Ipswich go up and Wolves and Burnley come down
 
JC70 said:
This mess seems to be growing. In addition to boro’s claim, if saints have been doing this all season then any team who dropped points against them and those points would have changed the team’s final league position has a claim. Particularly relegated teams who would have stayed up and any team that would have made the playoffs or even automatic promotion. Wrexham have a definite case for playoffs in place of saints. There’s also league position prize money to consider. And cup games.
A good starting point would be to recalculate the final league table allocating any points dropped against saints back to the teams.
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If Southampton have been doing it all season, why only mention it now?
 
Lord Potts said:
The FL inquiry is not a Criminal Court so the standard of evidence that's required is a lot lower than I believe that you think it is. The only things that the FL would has to show when it come to a decision is that the conclusion it reached was reasonable given the know facts and that they followed due process as set out in their own procedures. They are not required to collect and consider forensic evidence and show that the case has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

To my mind despite all the questions about the competency of this spying operation against Boro and whether the "spy" acted on his own initiative if other Clubs come forward with the evidence that suggests that it wasn't just a one off incident then Southampton will be in very deep shit.

The time it takes for the FL to make a decision may therefore only depend on how many other Clubs (if any) do make or have already made similar complaints about Southampton.
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You've probably replied to the wrong person mate.
 
Lord Potts said:
To my mind despite all the questions about the competency of this spying operation against Boro and whether the "spy" acted on his own initiative if other Clubs come forward with the evidence that suggests that it wasn't just a one off incident then Southampton will be in very deep shit.
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Yes if there’s cctv or whatever of this pervert at other club’s training pitches then there’s no way Boro can realistically claim “rogue employee”
 
JC70 said:
This mess seems to be growing. In addition to boro’s claim, if saints have been doing this all season then any team who dropped points against them and those points would have changed the team’s final league position has a claim. Particularly relegated teams who would have stayed up and any team that would have made the playoffs or even automatic promotion. Wrexham have a definite case for playoffs in place of saints. There’s also league position prize money to consider. And cup games.
A good starting point would be to recalculate the final league table allocating any points dropped against saints back to the teams.
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Relegated teams won’t have a case, Sheff Wed well they finished in 0 points so that doesn’t matter, Oxford actually beat them in one of the games and finished more than 3 points behind and Leicester finished more 3 points behind and only played them once whilst Tonda was there in the league. No doubt they’ll have a look into it legally but I can’t see them spending much money on it.

Leicester and Arsenal both got knocked out of the cup though so could look to see if they could sue for that if the EFL decides Southampton have cheated but they’d need proof.
 
If Soton have been doing this multiple times all season the team that lost the most is the one who just missed out on the playoffs ( plus the relegated ones) .
They can't replay the playoff semis with everyone moving up a place before next weekend so the next logical way is to relegate Southampton, give Boro the final spot and Oxford stay in the Championship.
Easy as that:idea::)
 
According to Google AI reallocating of points away from saints would leave automatic promotion and relegation places unchanged but hull would drop out of the playoffs and Wrexham and derby would take the place of hull and Southampton.
I don’t know whether this is correct as it’s too complicated for me and I’m not sure Google understands either.
 
houst69 said:
The beauty of this scenario is that the mackems will be lucky to get one point all season, if they go up!!! Ha!

fu.ck buckethead Wilder. And the Sheff Utd fans that couldnt even be ar,sed to go to a Play off final.
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There's some great replies on that thread.

:D
 
The EFL regularly deducts pts for clubs going into administration and other financial transgressions. Whilst I understand the rationale for that, financial transgressions are not as heinous an act as blatant cheating..

Sending an employee to spy on an upcoming opponent, and maybe particularly in this type of play-off scenario, is an act of complete immorality and should be punished accordingly..

The only punishment I can see as being fair is that they forfeit the tie against Boro and then get a pts deduction for next season for the other spying allegations against other teams (if proved), 3 pts each game.

If it was an athlete caught cheating by taking drugs they would be banned indefinitely from any sporting competition. Cheating is cheating. It has to be punished severely.
 
JC70 said:
According to Google AI reallocating of points away from saints would leave automatic promotion and relegation places unchanged but hull would drop out of the playoffs and Wrexham and derby would take the place of hull and Southampton.
I don’t know whether this is correct as it’s too complicated for me and I’m not sure Google understands either.
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Relegation wouldn’t have changed issue with promotion is we don’t know if Southampton would have lost or drawn, it’s complete guess work so Wrexham and co probably couldn’t appeal or try and get funds that way. Bet they’ll will look into it though.
 
Southampton win play-off final. Spurs get relegated. Southampton punished by EFL with fine and points deduction next time in Championship. Premier League refuse to accept Southampton and keep Spurs up. Southampton implode next season and get relegated to League One. Spurs make UCL next season and win it. Richard Curtis makes hit romcom based on cheeky, unlucky in love intern just trying to make a difference in this crazy world.

Bookmark this.
 
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FoldingStars said:
Relegation wouldn’t have changed issue with promotion is we don’t know if Southampton would have lost or drawn, it’s complete guess work so Wrexham and co probably couldn’t appeal or try and get funds that way. Bet they’ll will look into it though.
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Their lawyers will be all over this surely, but it’s not whether Southampton would have lost or drawn anyway. Taking the points off them is a punishment for the cheating. Nothing to do with whether they may or may not have won anyway even if they hadn’t cheated.
 
Diamond Eyes said:
The EFL regularly deducts pts for clubs going into administration and other financial transgressions. Whilst I understand the rationale for that, financial transgressions are not as heinous an act as blatant cheating..

Sending an employee to spy on an upcoming opponent, and maybe particularly in this type of play-off scenario, is an act of complete immorality and should be punished accordingly..

The only punishment I can see as being fair is that they forfeit the tie against Boro and then get a pts deduction for next season for the other spying allegations against other teams (if proved), 3 pts each game.

If it was an athlete caught cheating by taking drugs they would be banned indefinitely from any sporting competition. Cheating is cheating. It has to be punished severely.
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Depends if you are world tennis number 1 or not.
 
Hot Since 82 said:
Not really helping anyone until Southampton are eventually back in the championship and the points deduction then kicks in.
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I think after the Leicester thing there is a new rule in place where the EFL/PL can recommend deductions to each other, rather than waiting until the team returns to their league
 
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