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Southampton spying compendium thread

ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK said:
This! It's just the severity and scale of the offence that isn't yet known by the EFL so they can't yet determine the punishment (which has been mentioned in many media articles and on here)
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The apparent situation that one of Southampton's analysts was at Boro's final training session last week, in possession of highly sophisticated recording equipment and fully decked out in Boro's training gear, should be enough to kick them out of the play off final as presumably Boro have the relevant supporting evidence. Who takes their place is getting tricky though especially if Wrexham have been fucked over, which looks possible.
 

Live streamed + audio back to the coaching staff. A bit different to “ my name is Michael Cane and I’m a nosy neighbour “
The EFL have little option other than to award the game to Middlesbrough 3-0. If not they have set themselves up for an unholy mess next playoffs. The prize is so great the prospect of a fine wouldn’t even feature in their thinking ( the competing teams). This decision sets themselves precedent for future behavior.
 
Hot Since 82 said:
The apparent situation that one of Southampton's analysts was at Boro's final training session last week, in possession of highly sophisticated recording equipment and fully decked out in Boro's training gear, should be enough to kick them out of the play off final as presumably Boro have the relevant supporting evidence. Who takes their place is getting tricky though especially if Wrexham have been fucked over, which looks possible.
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There's no perfect solution to this really. Obviously if they're found guilty on a wider scale then Wrexham etc... could claim they've also been robbed, and they have. Similarly I'm sure there's some relegated sides who could claim that Southampton took points off them which may have caused them to be relegated etc.... Or Arsenal may say it's cost them a chance at a treble. You could go on for ages.

But, really, Boro are the ones who it is immediately impacting, in a direct game against them which impacts *directly* promotion. The rest is all indirect and permutations.

I'd say that for the Boro match they sohuld be given a 3-0 win for the first leg, and then the FL investigate the wider offences (Ipswich, Coventry, Wrexham etc....) and go from there in terms of fines/points deductions.

If it's a sustained cheating operation, then they should have points deductions coming into play next season too. Fines won't put anyone off.
 
Morny said:
There's no perfect solution to this really. Obviously if they're found guilty on a wider scale then Wrexham etc... could claim they've also been robbed, and they have. Similarly I'm sure there's some relegated sides who could claim that Southampton took points off them which may have caused them to be relegated etc.... Or Arsenal may say it's cost them a chance at a treble. You could go on for ages.

But, really, Boro are the ones who it is immediately impacting, in a direct game against them which impacts *directly* promotion. The rest is all indirect and permutations.

I'd say that for the Boro match they sohuld be given a 3-0 win for the first leg, and then the FL investigate the wider offences (Ipswich, Coventry, Wrexham etc....) and go from there in terms of fines/points deductions.

If it's a sustained cheating operation, then they should have points deductions coming into play next season too. Fines won't put anyone off.
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Yep, first and foremost has to be the immediate impact and then historic review to see if further penalties needed and deductions for next season.
 
Nosworthycorner said:
You're bang on.

The minimal details can get you a 200 million prize at the end.

They need to be checking the guys phone who was caught. I can virtually guarantee his google history on maps will show he's been in all the places Southampton were playing the week prior to each game.

Brian Brobbey's sponsorship partner this year i noted is a surveillance company. Is this rife in the industry and only coming to light now? Is it a 'taboo' subject that everyone knows goes on but doesn't talk about?

Did we use it to go up?
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I cant tell you how I know as I’d have to kill you, but prem sides are in the process of ordering drone capturing teams/equipment.

@Nosworthycorner
 
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Safc98 said:
They don’t get £200m in their bank account on promotion (the quoted figure is spread over three years through PL TV money and associated parachutes if relegated) and yes it would. If you know that you’ll get penalised with a points deduction it makes staying up next to impossible so why bother? Yes the finances, but if you stay up then that £200m turns into at least £350m with the extra season in the league and a third year of parachutes.
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The Premier League are a separate jurisdiction I believe to the EFL and so cannot implement punitive measures.
 
Morny said:
There's no perfect solution to this really. Obviously if they're found guilty on a wider scale then Wrexham etc... could claim they've also been robbed, and they have. Similarly I'm sure there's some relegated sides who could claim that Southampton took points off them which may have caused them to be relegated etc.... Or Arsenal may say it's cost them a chance at a treble. You could go on for ages.

But, really, Boro are the ones who it is immediately impacting, in a direct game against them which impacts *directly* promotion. The rest is all indirect and permutations.

I'd say that for the Boro match they sohuld be given a 3-0 win for the first leg, and then the FL investigate the wider offences (Ipswich, Coventry, Wrexham etc....) and go from there in terms of fines/points deductions.

If it's a sustained cheating operation, then they should have points deductions coming into play next season too. Fines won't put anyone off.
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But Wrexham didn’t report them. Middlesbrough did.
 
Blodwyn Pig said:
Live streamed + audio back to the coaching staff. A bit different to “ my name is Michael Cane and I’m a nosy neighbour “
The EFL have little option other than to award the game to Middlesbrough 3-0. If not they have set themselves up for an unholy mess next playoffs. The prize is so great the prospect of a fine wouldn’t even feature in their thinking ( the competing teams). This decision sets themselves precedent for future behavior.
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There is no other punishment more fitting than the match being awarded to Brough.
 
Blyth said:
They do. That’s what happened when Leeds were caught.

A new rule was introduced and the consequences are fine and or sporting sanctions including expulsion.

They have the power.

“independent disciplinary panels with the power to impose a wide range of punishments ranging from reprimands to fines, points deductions and, in extreme cases, expulsion from the competition.”
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Aye, knew Leeds got done for it but spying wasn't in the rules then so was just fairness and sporting integrity. Guess Saints have asked for more time so they can get their story straight
 
Onlyfoolsrushin said:
They'll play the final, as we did against Swindon, then Hull will be promoted regardless of the result. They can't go backwards looking at all of the what ifs and maybes.
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But how can they promote Hull when the cheating offence took place against Boro? If anyone was affected by their cheating it was them.
They should award Boro the first leg 3-0 as others have said then let Boro play Hull in the final. It’s the only fair way.
 
ATS said:
But how can they promote Hull when the cheating offence took place against Boro? If anyone was affected by their cheating it was them.
They should award Boro the first leg 3-0 as others have said then let Boro play Hull in the final. It’s the only fair way.
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It won't happen legally in time. Not enough time. Any action will be retrospective.
 
SAFC Wilks said:
You open a whole can of worms with that though, especially if it turns out they’ve been doing it all season since this new lad came in.

Other teams will be wanting to bring a case against Southampton as well, especially those who narrowly missed the play offs themselves.
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They had their chance to report Southampton and obviously didn’t. Boro had the balls.
 
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