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Southampton spying compendium thread

Disco_Pants93 said:
Of course it does. You don't think being able to see what shape a team is training in, what personnel are fit or not fit, what 2nd and 3rd formations are being worked on, what set piece routines are being created etc doesn't make a huge difference?
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If it doesn’t make a huge difference then why did they have the urge to send someone to do it. Agree that it’s played on the pitch but fundamentally and I know this sounds like a high horse argument but it’s cheating.

Unsure how the EFL will approach this but they’re well within their rights to make an example of them here in order to protect the competition and how football is viewed. Otherwise everyone will be at it
 

Wearside Wanderer II said:
This place would be lit up if it was a team caught doing it against us so I have every sympathy for our Yorkshire acquaintances.
Those saying it’s no big deal either are aff their tits or are on the wind up.

Realistically, this needs calling before the final, well before, Soton need to be thrown out and for every club that have evidence against them a three point deduction next season.
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Aye, spot on. I mentioned this yesterday, but imagine if someone was spotted at the AOL when we were just about to play Coventry… then they knocked us out the playoffs. Would be WW3 here. Anyone who says “errr nerrr I wouldn’t be arsed”, I’d reply that people still go on about Jimmy Hill which happened 50 years ago.
 
Fine margins are the difference between winning and losing/drawing. They gained an unfair advantage by doing something that is not permitted. I don’t believe for a second some people would be so ambivalent if it was us on the end of it.
 
Flavonoids said:
A points deduction doesn't fix cheating in a match where there are no points on offer, and they stand to gain massively ... I suspect the 3 - 0 award of the first leg to the smogs is the best and fairest outcome, as well as a fine.
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You open a whole can of worms with that though, especially if it turns out they’ve been doing it all season since this new lad came in.

Other teams will be wanting to bring a case against Southampton as well, especially those who narrowly missed the play offs themselves.
 
Ron Swanson said:
If it doesn’t make a huge difference then why did they have the urge to send someone to do it. Agree that it’s played on the pitch but fundamentally and I know this sounds like a high horse argument but it’s cheating.

Unsure how the EFL will approach this but they’re well within their rights to make an example of them here in order to protect the competition and how football is viewed. Otherwise everyone will be at it
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Exactly. Each game a team works on and prepares things differently for. Do people really think we don't tweak training and formations for certain opponents based on their strengths and weaknesses? It's absolute bollocks to suggest there's no advantage gained from it.
 
Reading through.. are we only saying that 'Boro were spied on because of the enormity of getting to Wembley? Or is there a 'suggestion' or allegation that they aren't the only team its happened to?
On the field last night Boro were beaten (an aside from all the other housery that went on). Whether or not sitting in the bushes gave Southampton any sort of advantage is negligible unless some can enlighten me that this may differ greatly from historical game analysis. Ultimately though, they have been found out (or admitted to) CHEATING as prescribed by the rules laid down. Personally I think nothing will happen other than a hefty fine, although I would suggest a fine that would be of any merit would be the removal of any prize money gained from the final and any subsequent promotion. Id like to know what type of punishment a Southampton fan would suggest if the 'boots' was on the other foot
 
Flavonoids said:
A points deduction doesn't fix cheating in a match where there are no points on offer, and they stand to gain massively ... I suspect the 3 - 0 award of the first leg to the smogs is the best and fairest outcome, as well as a fine.
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Agreed. It also gives the EFL an easy out.

Southampton may whinge about it, no other Championship team will. Caused their own problems.

* This assumes, of course, that Southampton did cheat by spying, although their refusal to admit or deny the allegations seems to suggest guilt.

The " Internal Enquiry " they say they'll have should be easy enough to resolve.

Q - " Did we send someone up to Middlesbrough to spy on them ? "

A - "Erm, yes we did "

Q- " Oh, we're fucked, then. "
 
SAFC Wilks said:
You open a whole can of worms with that though, especially if it turns out they’ve been doing it all season since this new lad came in.

Other teams will be wanting to bring a case against Southampton as well, especially those who narrowly missed the play offs themselves.
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You treat any other instances as a separate offence(s) and deal with them appropriately.
 
Rammstein said:
Agreed. It also gives the EFL an easy out.

Southampton may whinge about it, no other Championship team will. Caused their own problems.

* This assumes, of course, that Southampton did cheat by spying, although their refusal to admit or deny the allegations seems to suggest guilt.

The " Internal Enquiry " they say they'll have should be easy enough to resolve.

Q - " Did we send someone up to Middlesbrough to spy on them ? "

A - "Erm, yes we did "

Q- " Oh, we're fucked, then. "
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They've already admitted that one of their employees was involved. They're tucked.
 
Disco_Pants93 said:
I think they're 100% guilty of it and the only issue is proving it conclusively. There's absolutely no chance they didn't know this bloke was doing what he was doing with professional surveillance equipment and a bag full of stuff to change his appearance. They've literally got him on CCTV
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Southampton have admitted it, haven’t they? Fairly sure they’ve accepted it happened but said it was a “lone wolf” working without club direction/approval.

For me, that’s a nonsense excuse. The fella is/was a paid employee of Southampton Football Club and therefore represents the club and his actions are reflected upon the club.
 
Dogbark said:
I doubt that it would lead to relegation. Most likely a points deduction.
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I'd tend to agree BUT if they've been at it for EVERY club they've been up against SINCE they began their long winning run and rise up the League than imho a more severe sanction, relegation, would be a more appropriate punishment and warning to others.
 
DonaldDownTheWing said:
Southampton have admitted it, haven’t they? Fairly sure they’ve accepted it happened but said it was a “lone wolf” working without club direction/approval.

For me, that’s a nonsense excuse. The fella is/was a paid employee of Southampton Football Club and therefore represents the club and his actions are reflected upon the club.
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Yeah, they've admitted it. The lone wolf bollocks won't wash and they've clearly been doing it before just the Boro game. You can't tell me some random bloke has just taken it upon himself to do that and nobody has used his info.
 
Flavonoids said:
You treat any other instances as a separate offence(s) and deal with them appropriately.
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Kick them out the playoffs, with a 3-0 forfeit of the match that they were found to have cheated. (First leg). Boro go through 4-2 on aggregate.

Each club that feels they cheated against them, and can prove it, any points Southampton gained in those matches should be deducted at the start of the next season.

If that team missed out on the playoffs due to a proven case of cheating, they can then sue Southampton privately.
 
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