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Thoughts on last night

They were probably my favourite team to watch in the league last year. Gross mismanagement this season has got them in this position but no way they're going down.

Le Bris has got it right plenty of times this season but lost the tactical battle last night. They seemed to be one step ahead and anticipated our balls to try and beat the press.

Add in an error from Roefs for the second and somehow every shot on target going in for that mental spell, it was a bad night.

I'm not sure the players didn't want it. We started okay but just became shell shocked with how the first half played out.
 

WB1974 said:
Typical of a team fighting for their lives and wanted it more while we passed around at the back like we thought we were Barcelona
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Passing was Barcelona BLIND SCHOOL.4ukin embarrassing from defense ,gift them the goals.Better players deffo needed next season. They did the job this season.Better skillful (not petulant players) req.Looks like season finishes on 46 points.Job done ,stopped up .
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
Forest were fighting for their lives and were excellent. Their front three were termendous - Hutchinson and Gibbs-White were tremendous and Woods was like Brobbey with an added goal threat. Anderson is as good a midfielder as you'll see in the Premier League. Our front three - Le Fee looks like he's sulking because he doesn't want to be playing out wide, Rigg looks too light weight and Brobbey is just constantly isolated. I'm not sure what Diarra is supposed to be doing but whatever it is, he isn't. He simply doesn't do enough to warrant selection. We need Le Fee in the number 10 and two speedy wingers ouitside. Otherwise we will never get the best out of Brobbey.

However, the biggest thing was that their manager out thought Le Bris. Its something Le Bris has done before but last night we had no answer. Their press was tremendous and they knew exactly what we were going to do with each play, especially the pass out to the FB. Other teams will look at that and have a go at nullfiying is in the same way. It really was a wake up and we need to show an intelligence to change and vary our play. The other obeservation was that a few times we were breaking fast when Roefs had the ball in his hands and he chose not to launch it. We need to vary the play sometimes. Hopefully, Le Bris and his team are reviewing how easy it was for Forest to disrupt our game plan.

Oh, and I'm still pissed off with all the leavers, it was embarrassing. Some even went at 3-0.
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Agreed on Le Fee
Rigg the lad was took off again early and seems to be the managers excuse for a poor showing.
Brobbey started well but nothing around him and faded seriously and did the same against Villa.
Diarra was a passenger.
Xhaka seems a bit wayward at the mo and Sadiki I thought had another poor game.
The back five are too robotic and playing from the back is a tactic that is well understood and were effectively gambling every time. The same thing happened against Villa
For the first time RLB looked clueless and why I reference the Port Vale Game.

The Port Vale Game was a totally different line up, but had a similar lacklustre feel and inability to change to circumstances and Robotically repeating the same failing tactic for 90 minutes.

On the Leavers:-
It was meant to be embarrassing and Football is a two-way process and those leavers felt the players were taking the p***. I will be honest with you, we might well have fought back on 2 down, but the 3rd and 4th Goals were seriously pathetic and the people who stayed behind after 70 minutes could be seen as hopeless.
 
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I don’t think we played that badly. You might think I’m mad but that’s the way I saw it.

An unfortunate own goal, and a goalkeeper error. Then every shot seemed to go in.

And then the players watch thousands walking out. Hardly any surprise their standards dropped after that.
 
I didn’t see a great Forest mind. I think they completely exposed the worst defensive performance of our season but other than their No. 21, I wasn’t that impressed by them.

Whatever Nordi came over to say to RLB, weather frustrated or exposing an issue in the plans, we should’ve brought a 5th defender. I love what RLB has done but this was one of the rare times it looked like the tactics were wrong and we’re completely unorganised and unprepared.
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
Forest were fighting for their lives and were excellent. Their front three were termendous - Hutchinson and Gibbs-White were tremendous and Woods was like Brobbey with an added goal threat. Anderson is as good a midfielder as you'll see in the Premier League. Our front three - Le Fee looks like he's sulking because he doesn't want to be playing out wide, Rigg looks too light weight and Brobbey is just constantly isolated. I'm not sure what Diarra is supposed to be doing but whatever it is, he isn't. He simply doesn't do enough to warrant selection. We need Le Fee in the number 10 and two speedy wingers ouitside. Otherwise we will never get the best out of Brobbey.

However, the biggest thing was that their manager out thought Le Bris. Its something Le Bris has done before but last night we had no answer. Their press was tremendous and they knew exactly what we were going to do with each play, especially the pass out to the FB. Other teams will look at that and have a go at nullfiying is in the same way. It really was a wake up and we need to show an intelligence to change and vary our play. The other obeservation was that a few times we were breaking fast when Roefs had the ball in his hands and he chose not to launch it. We need to vary the play sometimes. Hopefully, Le Bris and his team are reviewing how easy it was for Forest to disrupt our game plan.

Oh, and I'm still pissed off with all the leavers, it was embarrassing. Some even went at 3-0.
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I thought we played really well before their first goal .

They got a bit lucky with the first goal and the rest is history unfortunately
EchoMan said:
I don’t think we played that badly. You might think I’m mad but that’s the way I saw it.

An unfortunate own goal, and a goalkeeper error. Then every shot seemed to go in.

And then the players watch thousands walking out. Hardly any surprise their standards dropped after that.
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They had 6 on target only we had 4 .

Very rare for 5 out of 6 to go in
 
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Bad night at the office.
Looked like it would be a decent night after first 15 minutes when Rigg might have scored, but a flukey first goal and then an abberation by Roefs took the wins out of our sails. The third goal saw a ball that cuda gone anywhere, fall nicely to GW and the fourth similar.
I'm sorry like, but Diarra doesn't warrant a starting place and Talbi should have started as should Reinaldo. Poor by RLB.
Thought we'd have been really at it with 6th/7th a genuine possibility, but Forest wanted it badly, and Vito P showed what an astute coach he is.
I expect a big reaction next week and hope to see us make Wolves pay for last night.
And on a sour note, I appreciate people who pay good money for season cards have the right to bail out whenever they like, but that's not true SUPPORT.
To those that stayed TIL THE END, I salute you for staying to back the team and not taking the easy and petulant way out
HMBB
 
Was a game won and lost in the dugouts. They were miles better prepared, wanted it more and had better tactics for the game. We looked messy and disorganised. We had no idea how to defend set pieces and cover their second runners and that’s what outdid us. Yes they got very lucky with just about all of the goals - can’t legislate for the deflection off Hume or the deflection for their fourth falling to their guy, but we didn’t mark up well enough to begin with and they should never have been free to capitalise. 100% deserved that battering - it’s been coming for a number of weeks now. Even spurs had a lot of moments on the break against us but their finishing was shit, unlike forests.

Needs to act as a rocket up the arse for everyone from the coaching staff to the players.
Its Him Again said:
I thought we played really well before their first goal .

They got a bit lucky with the first goal and the rest is history unfortunately

They had 6 on target only we had 4 .

Very rare for 5 out of 6 to go in
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4 out of 6. The own goal doesn’t register as a shot on target, as it wasn’t.
 
We contributed massively to our downfall by messing round at the back, boxing ourselves in and negatively passing to players in worse positions. We had a couple of scares before Forest scored, but we continued with this tactic and also were slowing the play down even when getting beat.

I thought Forest were fast, aggressive and a real threat, unfortunately everything we were not on the night.

RLB and the players have a lot of credit in the bank this season, but last night was a shocker.
 
The Beautiful Game said:
Result was horrendous but looks worse than it was due to 10 mins of madness.

After they scored and had their tails up we couldn’t cope. What was frustrating was that we kept doing the things that put us under pressure. I literally turned to my mate as roefs picked the ball up and said, we need to stop trying to play out for a spell as he kicked it straight at a forest player.

They outfought us, out worked us and we just fell to bits. Hutchison was electric. Alderete and Ballard couldnt cope with the front two. Diarra lost everything that came into him and even Brobbey was outmuscled. It’s one of the few times I’d agree with the cliche “they wanted it more”.

In that spell, there was acres in the 10 position. Diarra was in so much space if they could find him. They did it a couple of times and he just gave it away.

All round a bad day at the office but Villa frustrated me more
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Alot of this is true but that first half is inexcusable. The coach just stood there and didn't react and the players gave up.
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
Forest were fighting for their lives and were excellent. Their front three were termendous - Hutchinson and Gibbs-White were tremendous and Woods was like Brobbey with an added goal threat. Anderson is as good a midfielder as you'll see in the Premier League. Our front three - Le Fee looks like he's sulking because he doesn't want to be playing out wide, Rigg looks too light weight and Brobbey is just constantly isolated. I'm not sure what Diarra is supposed to be doing but whatever it is, he isn't. He simply doesn't do enough to warrant selection. We need Le Fee in the number 10 and two speedy wingers ouitside. Otherwise we will never get the best out of Brobbey.

However, the biggest thing was that their manager out thought Le Bris. Its something Le Bris has done before but last night we had no answer. Their press was tremendous and they knew exactly what we were going to do with each play, especially the pass out to the FB. Other teams will look at that and have a go at nullfiying is in the same way. It really was a wake up and we need to show an intelligence to change and vary our play. The other obeservation was that a few times we were breaking fast when Roefs had the ball in his hands and he chose not to launch it. We need to vary the play sometimes. Hopefully, Le Bris and his team are reviewing how easy it was for Forest to disrupt our game plan.

Oh, and I'm still pissed off with all the leavers, it was embarrassing. Some even went at 3-0.
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Was noticeable how effective their press was but before the goal it looked like it was leaving gaps further up the pitch which we were typically unable fully to exploit. It seemed that after we gifted them the first two we just fell apart which was a real surprise given how focused we’ve been when going behind in other games. Forest took a high risk approach and it paid off.
 
1st goal is a bit unlucky. 2nd, 3rd and 4th goal were all criminal. Jesus, arguably their most dangerous player, left unmarked and in acres of space not once but twice in the penalty area.

Good pressing by Forest for the 2nd but 3 of the goals were gifts.
 
Anymore games like that this season and I do think RLB will put himself under unnecessary pressure with the club
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
Forest were fighting for their lives and were excellent. Their front three were termendous - Hutchinson and Gibbs-White were tremendous and Woods was like Brobbey with an added goal threat. Anderson is as good a midfielder as you'll see in the Premier League. Our front three - Le Fee looks like he's sulking because he doesn't want to be playing out wide, Rigg looks too light weight and Brobbey is just constantly isolated. I'm not sure what Diarra is supposed to be doing but whatever it is, he isn't. He simply doesn't do enough to warrant selection. We need Le Fee in the number 10 and two speedy wingers ouitside. Otherwise we will never get the best out of Brobbey.

However, the biggest thing was that their manager out thought Le Bris. Its something Le Bris has done before but last night we had no answer. Their press was tremendous and they knew exactly what we were going to do with each play, especially the pass out to the FB. Other teams will look at that and have a go at nullfiying is in the same way. It really was a wake up and we need to show an intelligence to change and vary our play. The other obeservation was that a few times we were breaking fast when Roefs had the ball in his hands and he chose not to launch it. We need to vary the play sometimes. Hopefully, Le Bris and his team are reviewing how easy it was for Forest to disrupt our game plan.

Oh, and I'm still pissed off with all the leavers, it was embarrassing. Some even went at 3-0.
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If our players are on the pitch in the middle of a game 2-0 down and they're waiting for the manager to tell them to stop playing sloppy passes out from the back then they shouldn't be playing at this level. The back 5 own the largest portion of last night for me.
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
Forest were fighting for their lives and were excellent. Their front three were termendous - Hutchinson and Gibbs-White were tremendous and Woods was like Brobbey with an added goal threat. Anderson is as good a midfielder as you'll see in the Premier League. Our front three - Le Fee looks like he's sulking because he doesn't want to be playing out wide, Rigg looks too light weight and Brobbey is just constantly isolated. I'm not sure what Diarra is supposed to be doing but whatever it is, he isn't. He simply doesn't do enough to warrant selection. We need Le Fee in the number 10 and two speedy wingers ouitside. Otherwise we will never get the best out of Brobbey.

However, the biggest thing was that their manager out thought Le Bris. Its something Le Bris has done before but last night we had no answer. Their press was tremendous and they knew exactly what we were going to do with each play, especially the pass out to the FB. Other teams will look at that and have a go at nullfiying is in the same way. It really was a wake up and we need to show an intelligence to change and vary our play. The other obeservation was that a few times we were breaking fast when Roefs had the ball in his hands and he chose not to launch it. We need to vary the play sometimes. Hopefully, Le Bris and his team are reviewing how easy it was for Forest to disrupt our game plan.

Oh, and I'm still pissed off with all the leavers, it was embarrassing. Some even went at 3-0.
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I wouldnt say they were excellent. They never had to get out of second gear. It was like a throwback to previous times in the league when teams found it easy to get three points.
My issues even before the game was Hume at left back when we have two left backs on the bench regardless of cirkins contract position.
The biggest was the lack of effort and running. Even at 1 nil and 2 nil down, lack of movement through the midfield from the likes of le fee and when we did end up with it, Diarra giving it away cheaply. He needs a spell out the side.
I watched le fee closely in the 2nd half and would to see the stats on distance covered but he walked 90% of the half, didnt get into pockets of space and was hiding behind players, a tell tail sign he did not want the ball or want to be involved.
To only make two subs in the game. I dont know what message Le Bris is trying to send. I think hes great, and calm which at a club like us is what we need but other top managers would have used the full 5 and most early on.
First time Ive questioned this fantastic sides attitude even to make the score more respectable.
Set pieces are horrific and I though Isidor put himself about when he came on which was a small positive.
 
I got back to Hull at 11:05, I could have waited to watch us lose 5:0 and got back at 12:50 which is normal for an 8 kick off midweek. It just made so much sense, you know I generally don’t go to midweek games as I left at halftime so did so many others. Each to their own.
 
HABA87 said:
They were relentless in the press, proper strength and athleticism. If we'd kept it to one I was thinking they can't keep it up, but they smelled blood anyway and finished us long before half time.
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That was my thinking, but we were sloppy as fuck.

They had a lot more to play for than us and it showed.

Sadiki of all people looking off the pace in the opening minutes set the tone really.
 
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Mowgli said:
Anymore games like that this season and I do think RLB will put himself under unnecessary pressure with the club
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Look at post #25 above. I believe the way RLB reacted, or rather didn’t react, was a result of this weeks ‘pressure’ on his management. Summit’s gone on or is going on behind the scenes re. his management.
 
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