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Teams coming up

cluffy said:
😀 you’re not wrong. And i surprised myself thinking it. But I just don’t see the likes of Xhaka, Mukiiele and all letting standards drop.
Whilst SAFC only have 3 prem top tens, Xhaka alone has at least 20 top flight top half finishes to his name, including three league titles. That is more pertinent to the discussion imo.
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How quickly things change though. I’m sure Leicester fans after winning the league and FA cup never believed they’d end up in league one - yet they most certainly will be there. The league system is set up to have a food chain and Sunderland will be middle of the pack. If someone comes in to steal our top data analysts, sadiki, roefs et al - things can change quickly. Plus xhaka is getting on now. We have a great team now and there’s players in there I’d never dream of watching play for us. Only takes a few sales and a few ‘Adingra’ style purchases in key positions and it’s an issue.
 
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Loch Ness Drogba fan said:
How quickly things change though. I’m sure Leicester fans after winning the league and FA cup never believed they’d end up in league one - yet they most certainly will be there. The league system is set up to have a food chain and Sunderland will be middle of the pack. If someone comes in to steal our top data analysts, sadiki, roefs et al - things can change quickly. Plus xhaka is getting on now. We have a great team now and there’s players in there I’d never dream of watching play for us. Only takes a few sales and a few ‘Adingra’ style purchases in key positions and it’s an issue.
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True - if everything goes wrong we’ll be in the shit. If it doesn’t we won’t be.
 
Rossi said:
Of the teams coming up , would it be better for us , , 3 teams with no previous parachute payments eg cov millwall and boro , coming up , or teams with parachute already eg cov Ipswich and Southampton, ?
Personally think apart from cov who are already up , it would be better if Ipswich and Southampton came up as less for them to spend on strengthening so more likely to go straight down again like Burnley
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I’d say almost certainly Soton will be coming up and along with parachute payments they have the sales of Dibling and WHU MF lad ( Fernandes) appearing in their most recent accounts. Financially they are very healthy
Coventry dont have much grunt financially, nor do Boro or Millwall.Ipswich are hard to call. They continue to spend but on pub league players
 
PaulG said:
We are likely to finish in the top 10 or higher and will strengthen over the summer. Why does it matter to us who comes up???
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It matters enormously, I’d say. It’s that kind of arrogance and complacency that they’ll be banking on. Look at West Ham, look at Spurs. The promoted teams will all be hungry to prove themselves. This season, two have stayed up, one of them has an outside change of getting into Europe.

Leeds and Burnley wrote us off remember? 24 points and all that bollocks.
 
Frijj said:
It matters enormously, I’d say. It’s that kind of arrogance and complacency that they’ll be banking on. Look at West Ham, look at Spurs. The promoted teams will all be hungry to prove themselves. This season, two have stayed up, one of them has an outside change of getting into Europe.

Leeds and Burnley wrote us off remember? 24 points and all that bollocks.
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Exactly. Spot on.
I'm hoping it's Boro along with Millwall but it's more likely to be Ipswich and Southampton
 
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HarrogateMackem said:
I think there's no reason that Southampton or Ipswich couldn't have the season that Leeds had really. Had a pretty decent team and spent a lot of money on trying to improve the squad. I'd be wary if one/ both came up.

I think if Coventry seemingly want to pocket the cash - potentially as they've underestimated the gap between the two leagues off the back of our success.

As ever with the PL, all three promoted teams need to try and make up for at least an extra 100m investment into the squads in the league already (significantly more for those with multiple seasons up). Yes there's teams that will get worse - we might be one of them after player sales, you never know) but that's an awful lot.

West Ham you presume will be in crisis yet again next season with that ownership - maybe Forest implode properly with that ownership. And european football will weigh down one or multiple of Everton, Brentford, ourselves, Villa, Brighton etc. (But beyond that I struggle to see who is really going to actually struggle)
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I think people are forgetting what Leeds spent in the prem previously to build that squad which then got promoted - north of £180m i believe, then spent again on promotion. None of the current championship teams have this foundation which makes it much harder to do what Leeds have done this season.
 
Southampton v Ispwich is gonna be a cracking game - but Ipswich still have a game in hand even if they lose it
 
Coventry will need to replace pretty much the entire 11 so will need to have a summer / hit rate like ours to be competitive. I think they'll sign Tammy Abraham and probably a few other ex Chelsea based on Lampard.

Boro are similar in that the entire squad would need replacing and I'm not sure they've got the financial firepower under Gibson to sanction that level of spend.

Southampton would be the biggest threat to the incumbents in my opinion if they go up given the financial position and squad. Some good players already there and looks like will have more PSR room than the usual parachute payment side.

Don't rate Mckenna that much at Ipswich and think they've underperformed this year, can't do a root and branch overhaul and players like Clarke and Davis have already shown up as not good enough in the PL.
 
ClassicDom said:
Leicester won the title not so long ago. How are they doing?

How did Sheff Utd do the season after finishing 9th?
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It happens. Only in Sunderland is the default that it's certainly going to happen to us. And none of the teams coming up pushed those teams out.
Nicky Winterwasp said:
Its an ultra competitive league and theres no easy points?
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It is. Therefore, if a very strong team comes up it will impact every team in the PL not just us.
Frijj said:
It matters enormously, I’d say. It’s that kind of arrogance and complacency that they’ll be banking on. Look at West Ham, look at Spurs. The promoted teams will all be hungry to prove themselves. This season, two have stayed up, one of them has an outside change of getting into Europe.

Leeds and Burnley wrote us off remember? 24 points and all that bollocks.
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It's not arrogance and complacency. One or two strong teams coming up affects everybody, not just us. It's the constant dwelling on the negative in this forum that grates - it's always us, and us alone, who are going to struggle.
 
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PoloVision said:
I think people are forgetting what Leeds spent in the prem previously to build that squad which then got promoted - north of £180m i believe, then spent again on promotion. None of the current championship teams have this foundation which makes it much harder to do what Leeds have done this season.
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Ipswich and Southampton both spent last time they were in the PL no?
 
Loch Ness Drogba fan said:
How quickly things change though. I’m sure Leicester fans after winning the league and FA cup never believed they’d end up in league one - yet they most certainly will be there. The league system is set up to have a food chain and Sunderland will be middle of the pack. If someone comes in to steal our top data analysts, sadiki, roefs et al - things can change quickly. Plus xhaka is getting on now. We have a great team now and there’s players in there I’d never dream of watching play for us. Only takes a few sales and a few ‘Adingra’ style purchases in key positions and it’s an issue.
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Leicester's fortunes changed after the helicopter crash, in my humble opinion
 
Watching sky news looking at Coventry tonight, we’ve been mentioned twice. Coventry having to wait a year after the heartbreak of the playoff defeat against Sunderland and Frank Lampard unlucky after dominating both legs against Sunderland. I think it’s forgotten we were the better team in Coventry and probably should have scored more than 2, and if they had beaten us they still had to beat Sheffield Utd in the final.
 
HarrogateMackem said:
Ipswich and Southampton both spent last time they were in the PL no?
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Southampton signed a lot of players but, Mateus Fernandes aside, didn't spend well. A couple of their better signings (Downes, Harwood-Bellis) were on loan there already so money spent to stand still.

Ipswich went for a sign the best of the Championship vibe and it didn't work. Interesting to see what they do if they go up.
 
Rossi said:
Of the teams coming up , would it be better for us , , 3 teams with no previous parachute payments eg cov millwall and boro , coming up , or teams with parachute already eg cov Ipswich and Southampton, ?
Personally think apart from cov who are already up , it would be better if Ipswich and Southampton came up as less for them to spend on strengthening so more likely to go straight down again like Burnley
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Ipswich is coming up
 
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