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SAFC - Fan Ban & Ticket Cancellations

Why because they are shit scared of the club or just in their pocket?

Sorry but an independent fan group should have never, ever just reposted the club statement without comment. It simply smacked of 'we agree'. It was comically poor.

They have lost most if not all of any credibility as an independent voice and a go to for fan grievances. They have come across as club patsys. It's rank stupidy.

My hope is that given the stink this has hopefully caused behind the scenes that's there's lots of conversations taking place to find out what on earth went on and stuff is ongoing.

But that's just an (optimistic) guess on my part - like I said no one knows.

If it comes out in the wash that the statement put out by them is the full extent of their involvement then they should be 'dead in the water' and will have absolutely lost any credibility to represent fans.
 

Not one person does not have sympathy for the innocent people caught up in this.

But this is turning into a rant about RAWA amongst others. If we’re being honest I bet 95% of the match going fans don’t even know or care about this. And the people you are now going after have acted.

And still the fundamental (and very simple) question has not been responded too.

Did he knowingly pass on Premier League away tickets to those not entitled to them? A simple yes or no would suffice. Or an answer with no whataboutary either.

Talking about Championship games years ago is not relevant.

Let me rephrase your question to "have away tickets sometimes been used by someone other than the person who's membership no. they were allocated to"

Let's not be naïve. The answer is almost certainly yes.

Lets also put it in context - it happens amongst fans at every club, in every supporters branch, right across the country. At home* AND away matches.

Is that absolutely, 100% fair? - probably not, but again, the movement of tickets between individuals (in culture as well as sport) is common practice because life isn't doesn't always bend to a companies T&C's. Until face-ID comes in (which WILL happen) then it's impossible to police. Glastonbury, Wimbledon, the Oasis comeback, whatever.... when demand outstrips supply, people use their friends and contacts to pass tickets on..... often at a premium which has NOT happened here.

Let's add some more context - SAFC have previously always been supportive of supporters branches purchasing bulk tickets (using the necessary points) for reasons I've already outlined on this thread. How the branches then 'share' the tickets amongst them has been ignored. What's more, the club have 'used' this particular branch secretary to distribute tickets (or indeed return them) when it has suited them.

Two things have changed. 1 is there has been a change in ticket office management personnel at SAFC. The 2nd is that we are Premier League.

There may well be reasons the likes of RAWA don't want to get more involved, but we should also be conscious that a business who don't want to have their decisions scrutinised can easily muddy the waters by saying there are implications beyond the issue being focused on, i.e. internal matters - or by using phrases like 'widespread misuse' or numbers like '50% of tickets being misused' without context or detail.

Whatever more is said, speculated upon, or disputed, there are two regrettable outcomes.

The branch secretary has been given a ban which does not just affect him - it affects over 200 loyal, hardcore fans. The fact he's done so much for club and fellow supporters has not been considered in the ban given. That is wrong.

And the club have set a precedent. If they follow that through it will make a process they are already showing themselves incapable of managing, even worse for any supporter who chooses (or is able) to buy a tickets on a match-by-match basis... such as every away game in the season.

*NB: We're already seeing arguments in this thread about who gets home match tickets. If the club decide to do more ID checks at the SOL, and impose the same zero-tolerance approach to the sharing of tickets, expect chaos to follow. We've had the same name applied to some season tickets going back to 1998....... and you can bet your bottom dollar there'll be multiple instances where that ST has been passed between family members ever since.
 
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Let me rephrase your question to "have away tickets sometimes been used by someone other than the person who's membership no. they were allocated to"

Let's not be naïve. The answer is almost certainly yes.

Lets also put it in context - it happens amongst fans at every club, in every supporters branch, right across the country. At home* AND away matches.

Is that absolutely, 100% fair? - probably not, but again, the movement of tickets between individuals (in culture as well as sport) is common practice because life isn't doesn't always bend to a companies T&C's. Until face-ID comes in (which WILL happen) then it's impossible to police. Glastonbury, Wimbledon, the Oasis comeback, whatever.... when demand outstrips supply, people use their friends and contacts to pass tickets on..... often at a premium which has NOT happened here.

Let's add some more context - SAFC have previously always been supportive of supporters branches purchasing bulk tickets (using the necessary points) for reasons I've already outlined on this thread. How the branches then 'share' the tickets amongst them has been ignored. What's more, the club have 'used' this particular branch secretary to distribute tickets (or indeed return them) when it has suited them.

Two things have changed. 1 is there has been a change in ticket office management personnel at SAFC. The 2nd is that we are Premier League.

There may well be reasons the likes of RAWA don't want to get more involved, but we should also be conscious that a business who don't want to have their decisions scrutinised can easily muddy the waters by saying there are implications beyond the issue being focused on, i.e. internal matters - or by using phrases like 'widespread misuse' or numbers like '50% of tickets being misused' without context or detail.

Whatever more is said, speculated upon, or disputed, there are two regrettable outcomes.

The branch secretary has been given a ban which does not just affect him - it affects over 200 loyal, hardcore fans. The fact he's done so much for club and fellow supporters has not been considered in the ban given. That is wrong.

And the club have set a precedent. If they follow that through it will make a process they are already showing themselves incapable of managing, even worse for any supporter who chooses (or is able) to buy a tickets on a match-by-match basis... such as every away game in the season.

*NB: We're already seeing arguments in this thread about who gets home match tickets. If the club decide to do more ID checks at the SOL, and impose the same zero-tolerance approach to the sharing of tickets, expect chaos to follow. We've had the same name applied to some season tickets going back to 1998....... and you can bet your bottom dollar there'll be multiple instances where that ST has been passed between family members ever since.

Well said …..

I would just reiterate the hypocrisy of the club “using” him to distribute tickets for both financial & publicity purposes ( when it suited) ….then …. absolutely hammering him for continuing the same.

F#!k the PL
 
Ive been critical of RAWA and will remain so when I think they deserve to be criticised. Its a forum and its free speech. I dont think I have ever named you individually.

RAWA and its reps cant complain if fans question their effectiveness and what doing if dont update and let fans see what saying/doing with club. Other clubs fan groups do and personally I think thats a better system.

Whilst P is the main character this also effects 65 others main of whom had tickets cancelled for doing nothing wrong and were punished because of guilt by association. Each on of those 65 also have a case against the club within all this.

There are fans in this thread and across the wider fanbase who have contacted club themselves over this action. It shows they care and are bothered. Would they have taken it upon themselves and spent their own time if they knew what RAWA were doing and believed they would be effective?

Ill be honest.
Every post you've made on here around all of this has been great.

A lot of sense spoken.

RAWA are not fit for purpose.
They sit and have tea and biscuits with the club at their meetings.

The fact issues like this are when our supposed supporters liason groups are supposed to come into their own yet the Gentleman involved is still banned.

Its absolutely pathetic.

We get more of an update from you than our rep.

I think come to voting time for reps this time round there needs to be changes.
 
They seem to be running a bit of a closed shop. As far as I'm aware no RTG rep has attended a single meeting! That's ridiculous. If they have 2 or 3 places in the meeting one of the main men or 2 should attend and the other place should be on a rotational basis. You can't have the same old faces turning up and the other reps being basically kept in the dark! You have the like of @Gandi Floss @Guinness Guzzler @Becs doing their leg work but never getting a seat at the table? That's controlling behaviour not an open process.

This is bollocks.

I've been to meetings in previous seasons when I was a different RAWA rep. @Guinness Guzzler attended several when he was the SMB rep.

I was asked to attend the PGMOL VAR meeting last summer as a rep but unfortunately it clashed with an exam so I couldn't go.
 
This is bollocks.

I've been to meetings in previous seasons when I was a different RAWA rep. @Guinness Guzzler attended several when he was the SMB rep.

I was asked to attend the PGMOL VAR meeting last summer as a rep but unfortunately it clashed with an exam so I couldn't go.
So none as the RTG rep then. How long have you been our supposed rep as you barely post anymore? *redacted*

I'll wait to see how many GG has attended whilst our rep. My guess is very, very few.
 
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I’ll put my Mortgage all these gobbing off about being a rep don’t put their name forward when the time comes round.
Banging a keyboard is dead easy, being a coherent stable voice Mebbes not so much for some on here.
How many places are up for grabs? I dont think individuals are at fault but rather the collective group. One new rep from SMB would make very little difference imho.

It must be a collective decision to not update what is going on with dialogue with the club. Must be a collective decision to not release a statement immediately after the 65. Must be a collective decision not to release a statement after corporate cant downgrade to an ordinary season ticket. Must be a collective decision not to publicly question the admin fee for seat moves. One person would not change this.

I have just been on the website. The last news article on website is October 31st 2025 and no minutes beyond 2024.

Surely, if nothing else this incident warrants news?
 
RAWA is a membership led group, i wouldn't say they represent every fan, someone might know how many members they have. You have other groups like SS and BLC who represent fans. I'm not sure you understand how RAWA works

The narrative i get and others from this is that some of the 65 haven't been attending all the away matches, and numbers and tickets have been passed on to others who don't even have a season ticket or loyalty points just to keep loyalty points high, that's why the whole group is now getting checked

He's not the only individual or group that's been targetted, the club have had meetings over the last few months with Premier League, Police and Legal Cousel about ticket touting and action has been taking to others and more will follow

Rusev is just the ticket office manager, i wouldn't say he makes all the decisions

Brandon Furse is/was the acting ticketing lead so he's the one making the decisions and policy and reporting to Kingsmore
Who wrote that post then?
 
How many places are up for grabs? I dont think individuals are at fault but rather the collective group. One new rep from SMB would make very little difference imho.

It must be a collective decision to not update what is going on with dialogue with the club. Must be a collective decision to not release a statement immediately after the 65. Must be a collective decision not to release a statement after corporate cant downgrade to an ordinary season ticket. Must be a collective decision not to publicly question the admin fee for seat moves. One person would not change this.

I have just been on the website. The last news article on website is October 31st 2025 and no minutes beyond 2024.

Surely, if nothing else this incident warrants news?
SMB RAWA rep serves a 2 year term which ends around September

2 independents get a 2 year term and 2 independents a 1 year term which ends at the end of this season

Not sure about RAWA, BLC & SS elections

So 3 rep positions are up from grabs in the next few months

I don't think RAWA uses the social media platform anymore as accounts linked are gone or haven't been posted on for a while and same with the website
 
Unless I'm missing something surely the best way to get something done is the make statements in the public about the issues which are happening and get people backing you detailing what you are doing about it.

Keeping it behind closed doors does nothing, I'd just ignore everything you said aswell, as it's irrelevent.

I wouldn't be surprised if this forum had more impact in club matters than RAWA because let's be blunt they'll have read this thread long before RAWA comes along echoing the thread.

Bad PR is literally the worst thing for any business (which they are).
 
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This thread is mental now. Needs to be canned. Aside from a few individuals who are constantly posting in the thread, and a few who are alleging they know every single detail, the vast majoriy still don't have all of the facts and I doubt ever will. Much of the information posted in here is hearsay. It just goes round in circles with the same few and posts get deleted / changed every 30 seconds whenever anyone else gets involved.

There's endless posts about what people, and the club, have and haven't done without a single bit of substance for or against aside from the official statement from the club (which is only one side of the argument).
 
How many places are up for grabs? I dont think individuals are at fault but rather the collective group. One new rep from SMB would make very little difference imho.

It must be a collective decision to not update what is going on with dialogue with the club. Must be a collective decision to not release a statement immediately after the 65. Must be a collective decision not to release a statement after corporate cant downgrade to an ordinary season ticket. Must be a collective decision not to publicly question the admin fee for seat moves. One person would not change this.

I have just been on the website. The last news article on website is October 31st 2025 and no minutes beyond 2024.

Surely, if nothing else this incident warrants news?

So what you are saying the elected board have made a collective decision?, sounds very democratic to me.
This thread is mental now. Needs to be canned. Aside from a few individuals who are constantly posting in the thread, and a few who are alleging they know every single detail, the vast majoriy still don't have all of the facts and I doubt ever will. Much of the information posted in here is hearsay. It just goes round in circles with the same few and posts get deleted / changed every 30 seconds whenever anyone else gets involved.

There's endless posts about what people, and the club, have and haven't done without a single bit of substance for or against aside from the official statement from the club (which is only one side of the argument).

It’s mental gymnastics from a few, they wouldn’t be out of place in the politics forum such is their angst.
 
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What this saga has highlighted is the lack of accountability by the club for what looks an horrendous ticketing decision.

No way should all of the 65 should have been penalised in such a draconian manner.

What is needed is a supporters’ representative/champion that can take issues to the club. I know that Leeds United have such a similar representative in place, Ray Fell, and by all accounts works very well.

IF RAWA is supposed to our fans champion, then it appears to have failed miserably those 65.
 
What this saga has highlighted is the lack of accountability by the club for what looks an horrendous ticketing decision.

No way should all of the 65 should have been penalised in such a draconian manner.

What is needed is a supporters’ representative/champion that can take issues to the club. I know that Leeds United have such a similar representative in place, Ray Fell, and by all accounts works very well.

IF RAWA is supposed to our fans champion, then it appears to have failed miserably those 65.
RAWA might try their best in these meetings and I appreciate its hard. But they offer zero help to people who have an actual issue. Chris waters is also seen less than Poveda was. So who do we actually go to for help or issues?

You email RAWA and don't get a response or acknowledgement.
 
What this saga has highlighted is the lack of accountability by the club for what looks an horrendous ticketing decision.

No way should all of the 65 should have been penalised in such a draconian manner.

What is needed is a supporters’ representative/champion that can take issues to the club. I know that Leeds United have such a similar representative in place, Ray Fell, and by all accounts works very well.

IF RAWA is supposed to our fans champion, then it appears to have failed miserably those 65.
I know just the person for this role. Trouble is hes been banned
 
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