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Why has Foden gone from hero to zero?


Shibby Safc said:
Hes clearly one of the most naturally talented players in the country. But my god he is having such little impact in games.

Shame as when he's on it, he's a delight to watch.
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Agree. Elite skills set but not mindset perhaps? Hoy Sancho, Greenwood and Grealish into the same bracket. Heads not always in the game. Not saying they've got the same character flaws just that they've not got the mindset and focus to be elite competitors. Hence they have the ability to delivery stellar performances but do so sporadically.

I'd find room for Foden in a 26 man squad in the hope that 8 weeks in a squad bubble helps him focus, noting that hasn't happened for him in previous tournaments.

Put it this way I'd rather have the potential of Foden in the squad than the muted 5 centre halves, one of which being Dan Burn ffs.
 
joedurham said:
How do you go from being last season's MVP to unused, forgotten substitute in the poorest City team of the last 7 years.
Does he need to move on?
It's a mystery to me.
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Yes, I think he does need to move on.. Peps slow ,passing style is , has killed Citeh this season. The build up is so laborious nowadays for Citeh and is a shadow of what went before. Sadly Foden for me doesn't fit the style of play now.
 
Thinking back to yesteryear, there were some great players around in the 70s like Rodney Marsh (9 caps, 1 goal), Stan Bowles (5-1), Alan Hudson (2-0), Tony Currie (17-3). They all played over 450 club games. but never really played that much for England because they weren't consistent (dedicated?). They could destroy teams at times, but could also be anonymous. Collectively, their attitude seemed to be "I'm a good footballer, but there is also a life to live", unlike their compatriot, Kevin Keegan (63-21) who was nowhere near as naturally talented, but worked his socks off to make the most of what he had

But those blokes played in a time of limited football coverage, so we didn't see their bad games as much, and therefore we thought they were brilliant. Foden is playing in a goldfish bowl, where every mistake or poor game is in full public view, same as Grealish - perhaps they both have that 70s mentality?
 
Evester said:
I wouldn't be surprised if he went to Bayern, Barca or Madrid and left City this summer
City will no doubt go out and spend £150 million plus on a couple of stand outs from the world cup and I think with Lewis having a canny season, we will be getting pushed down the pecking order again
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I think he does need to leave but he wouldn’t be starting at barca or Bayern. Could possibly push Brahim Diaz out at Real but not in the form he has been the last year or so.
 
Im wrang oni said:
Agree. Elite skills set but not mindset perhaps? Hoy Sancho, Greenwood and Grealish into the same bracket. Heads not always in the game. Not saying they've got the same character flaws just that they've not got the mindset and focus to be elite competitors. Hence they have the ability to delivery stellar performances but do so sporadically.

I'd find room for Foden in a 26 man squad in the hope that 8 weeks in a squad bubble helps him focus, noting that hasn't happened for him in previous tournaments.

Put it this way I'd rather have the potential of Foden in the squad than the muted 5 centre halves, one of which being Dan Burn ffs.
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I can't agree about his mindset. He always seems to be 100% implicated and motivated. But something has gone wrong. Maybe he needs a change of club or manager.
 
molthemackem said:
Yes, I think he does need to move on.. Peps slow ,passing style is , has killed Citeh this season. The build up is so laborious nowadays for Citeh and is a shadow of what went before. Sadly Foden for me doesn't fit the style of play now.
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They've been much more direct this season and made a point of getting the ball out wide to the likes of Doku and Semenyo to run at defenders, I don't think you can say they're slow and loborious anymore.

I think people make every excuse under the sun for Golden Foden when the reality is he's nearly 26 and has had one season in his entire career where he's shown any degree of consistency. He's talented but hasn't done anywhere enough to justify the hype.
 
Definitely Maybe said:
I think people make every excuse under the sun for Golden Foden when the reality is he's nearly 26 and has had one season in his entire career where he's shown any degree of consistency. He's talented but hasn't done anywhere enough to justify the hype.
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Aye, I never really understood why some on here insisted that he was 'world class'.

World class players don't struggle at international level, they boss the game.
 
Definitely Maybe said:
They've been much more direct this season and made a point of getting the ball out wide to the likes of Doku and Semenyo to run at defenders, I don't think you can say they're slow and loborious anymore.

I think people make every excuse under the sun for Golden Foden when the reality is he's nearly 26 and has had one season in his entire career where he's shown any degree of consistency. He's talented but hasn't done anywhere enough to justify the hype.
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Last year Phil had physical and mental problems apparently, but this year he should be fully recovered. I think he is in some way victim of Pep's own loss of mental form and clarity. He's been using Semenyo alongside Haaland in a narrower central position. Pep still doesn't have a clear idea about his ideal midfield and is constantly changing names and tactics - to disastrous effect as in Madrid.
It could also be that despite his immense natural talent and promise, Foden just hasn't been able to go one step further and fill de Bruyne's boots, as expected. It's a real pity because I thought we had a world class attacking talent here that could have taken England to the next level.
 
10 Trenches Deep said:
He's a luxury. Not good tall enough, fast enough or powerful enough to be a forward and not creative enough to be a winger. He's good playing somewhere in the middle of those positions. That's fine if you dominate play, but City don't anymore and once they play with a proper striker in Haaland, they don't have spare places to give to someone who doesn't quite fit.
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Newcastle do. Their selection policy is modelled on a game show "the price is right", unlike others who use footy manager.
 
molthemackem said:
Yes, I think he does need to move on.. Peps slow ,passing style is , has killed Citeh this season. The build up is so laborious nowadays for Citeh and is a shadow of what went before. Sadly Foden for me doesn't fit the style of play now.
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City's "slow build up" wasn't evident in the League Cup Final ?
They controlled the last 60 minutes of the match, against the supposed best team in England.
They have Semanayo, Doku and Savinho, who are all rapid.
So they can certainly attack and have scored the most goals in the Premier League, this season.
Against a team with 8/9 defensive players in a low block, it is difficult to unpick it.
If a team attacks City, then it is nearly always an exciting game...
 
Clivewalkershair said:
He’s letting his hair grow!🤭
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That’s the killer that, never trust a man with long hair, lack of discipline 😉
Lucky1985 said:
I haven’t really watched them this year, but I think de Bryune and Rodri have been huge misses for them this season. Kev pulled the strings a lot last year which allowed Foden to play so well as he was being fed handsomely. And Rodri was a colossus in both defence and turning the ball over, which allowed Foden to play an attacking game against an unset defence.

Even before Rodri he had Fernandino playing that role, imho, Kovacic simply isn’t up to the job at that level, so I think Foden is maybe only as good as the players he is around.

Every show pony needs a work horse.
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I see Le Fee as being a similar player for us, but his work rate has blown me away. I thought he was going to be a luxury player … wow proved so wrong.
I wouldn’t swop Foden for Le Fee right now.
And I think that says everything… attitude. Commitment and sacrifice for the team, just don’t think a Foden has it anymore
joedurham said:
Last year Phil had physical and mental problems apparently, but this year he should be fully recovered. I think he is in some way victim of Pep's own loss of mental form and clarity. He's been using Semenyo alongside Haaland in a narrower central position. Pep still doesn't have a clear idea about his ideal midfield and is constantly changing names and tactics - to disastrous effect as in Madrid.
It could also be that despite his immense natural talent and promise, Foden just hasn't been able to go one step further and fill de Bruyne's boots, as expected. It's a real pity because I thought we had a world class attacking talent here that could have taken England to the next level.
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When you think about how Rooney managed to sustain performance levels from a very young age, you have to take your hat off to him for his mental and physical strength.

Foden has lost his edge for whatever reason, he’s a human but only goes to prove that god given take talent is never enough on its own.

I often think it’s easier for these top players to go and do their stuff abroad like Bellingham and the complete reversal of the top foreigners in this league.

The microscope these lads play under as top English players is mental .. young lads with loads of money, media pressures will need constant mentoring to remind them about what made them great.
 
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He can only play Peps way with Tik a taka players he knows no different also he’s got 19 kids and prob relent give a fuck anymore because of all the money he’s got
 
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