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O'Nien

PoolsMackem123 said:
That’s an awful view from someone who’s clearly never kicked a ball before

Nah mate, Hume and guertruida are squad players. Onien is the desperation

Yes this is the only thing anyone has focused on because one comment defines everything. Weirdo.
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Hahahahahhaha right o mate played me whole life man only stopped playing last year and im 47
 

Iballistic George said:
It wasn't a horrific mistake if you watch it back. He slipped as he's kicking it out it was unfortunate that's all. Love the onion but he gets nowhere near the starting 11 when everyone is fit. The way he played after showed he's deffo good enough to play prem league footy
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Sunderland players aren’t allowed to make mistakes, especially if they haven’t got a sexy foreign name and didn’t cost £££££😂
 
JERUDONG No.10 said:
His issue is that he peforns better after he’s made a mistake. Cut the mistake out and he’s a player. So, mentally he needs to not make the mistake in the first place. It’s a confidence / fear issue. We work on it in my industry constantly as it enables decision making.
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Three starts this season? You just can’t get that composure unfortunately
SAFCOldie said:
He's a crackers player, you can't fault him. He's still got that worry of his shoulder at the back if his mind but you would never know that by the way he plays and gets smashed about for the cause. Tremendous.
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How the hell is he doing those throw ins with that shoulder
 
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Whitburnmakem said:
Yes I’m aware of that but the keeper forced him onto his wrong foot his left had he passed it outside of onien he could of rolled it done the line to Guitruida instead of having to run across the middle of the box
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You have to have actually played the game or really understand it to get this point, the little move from Elborg inside rather than outside, shuts down so many passing lanes. It doesn’t just make the pass harder, it makes it harder for teammates to move into a zone where they can be an option. Shuts down a ridiculous amount of the field. Angles and passing lanes are everything in the modern game, with pressing so sharp. Thats why no other team rolls a short pass from the keeper inside, rather than out. You will never see it from anyone else.

You’ll not get this across to people on here, mind.

And before any chimes in, I’m not absolving Luke either, he should have just launched it as hard as he could to Brobbey at that point and accepted no credible shorter pass was on. But it’s not just him.
 
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Whitburnmakem said:
You have to pass the ball to him onto his right foot there so he can go down the line to guitruida not force him to have run into the middle of the box he hasn’t got time to
Shift it onto his other foot because of Gordon
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it's deliberate. they're trying to shift the ball around gordon to open as passing lane up the pitch

the execution is poor - o'nien slips as he attempts the pass
 
woodlebert said:
it's deliberate. they're trying to shift the ball around gordon to open as passing lane up the pitch

the execution is poor - o'nien slips as he attempts the pass
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Given Gordon was pressing on the right hand side, not the left, the easier way would have been a much more conventional route to the keepers right.
nz joe said:
I just wish we treated all our players with the same understanding . Mistakes happen, some posters take the opportunity to pile on to the player concerned. Can't see how they think that helps the team .
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Yes, but a load of testosterone-addled meatheads need to kick fuck out of Luke to justify their embarassing “if he plays, we won’t get 10 points, he will be dominated by every Premier League side” takes from the summer.

It’s sad that they would rather tear down a club legend that embrace him as someone who has risen with us. I don’t understand either. Maybe it’s because he’s smaller, maybe because he plays with a smile on his face, I don’t know. Some people just don’t like him.

Sad.
 
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Comeback_Kenwyne said:
Given Gordon was pressing on the right hand side, not the left, the easier way would have been a much more conventional route to the keepers right.
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yes my point is that i think ellborg does what he's meant to.

he has a lengthy chat with onien prior to the goal kick and xhaka spends the whole thing gesturing them towards geertruida. i think luke had an idea to be a bit overly clever. something to do with switching the direction of the pass to make barnes close off the lane to geertruida and then luke gets a bit of space down the middle of the pitch with a first touch back across goal and then a left footed ping up to the brobbey/rigg area of the pitch - something we did a fair bit in the rest of the match

he slips as he kicks it (as did a few people in that box funnily enough) and it goes wrong, but i think that's what he's trying to do
 
woodlebert said:
yes my point is that i think ellborg does what he's meant to.

he has a lengthy chat with onien prior to the goal kick and xhaka spends the whole thing gesturing them towards geertruida. i think luke had an idea to be a bit overly clever. something to do with switching the direction of the pass to make barnes close off the lane to geertruida and then luke gets a bit of space down the middle of the pitch with a first touch back across goal and then a left footed ping up to the brobbey/rigg area of the pitch - something we did a fair bit in the rest of the match

he slips as he kicks it (as did a few people in that box funnily enough) and it goes wrong, but i think that's what he's trying to do
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I don’t think his slip affects the angle. But probably the elevation, so I assume he was trying to find Rigg.

I am not convinced Elborg didn’t make the call, but it was a dumb call. Clearly there was a tactic though, which I put down to trying to mitigate Elborg’s distribution. We seem to have traded a keeper with a big flaw on crosses, for one with a big flaw on distribution. Thats probably the right call at the margins, even if Patterson is a better shot stopper, given the way the game has gone in this league. But Saturday shows the risk against a top pressing side. I’d be much happier if we just went long to Brobbey. He is capable.
 
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
I don’t think his slip affects the angle. But probably the elevation, so I assume he was trying to find Rigg.

I am not convinced Elborg didn’t make the call, but it was a dumb call. Clearly there was a tactic though, which I put down to trying to mitigate Elborg’s distribution. We seem to have traded a keeper with a big flaw on crosses, for one with a big flaw on distribution. Thats probably the right call at the margins, even if Patterson is a better shot stopper, given the way the game has gone in this league. But Saturday shows the risk against a top pressing side. I’d be much happier if we just went long to Brobbey. He is capable.
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Yes I think Rigg is the target too (and Brobbey is nearby)

On the angle behind the goal you can see Rigg is in a bit of space and as soon as the kick is taken moves infield, where the pass is roughly headed - as you say, if it had height

Obviously we don’t know who made the call, I’m just guessing O’Nien based on team seniority, but don’t know

Interestingly later in the match, I think in the first half but not sure, Xhaka and Geertruida both go nuts at Ellborg for not passing to Geertruida from a goal kick or deep set piece

Maybe he didn’t back himself to execute properly? Not sure
 
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
You have to have actually played the game or really understand it to get this point, the little move from Elborg inside rather than outside, shuts down so many passing lanes. It doesn’t just make the pass harder, it makes it harder for teammates to move into a zone where they can be an option. Shuts down a ridiculous amount of the field. Angles and passing lanes are everything in the modern game, with pressing so sharp. Thats why no other team rolls a short pass from the keeper inside, rather than out. You will never see it from anyone else.

You’ll not get this across to people on here, mind.

And before any chimes in, I’m not absolving Luke either, he should have just launched it as hard as he could to Brobbey at that point and accepted no credible shorter pass was on. But it’s not just him.
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Absolute comedy. Here we have a recently retired pro explaining it but understanding that those of us who haven't played the game professionally will never grasp what happened

This place man 😂
 
More I watch the game, I've watched it 5 times already, more I think the first goal actually went in our favour. Not only did it make our players work even harder, it let the mags actually think it was going to be a walk over so probably effected their mindset.
 
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