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O'Nien

BlackHoleSun said:
Absolute comedy. Here we have a recently retired pro explaining it but understanding that those of us who haven't played the game professionally will never grasp what happened

This place man 😂
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I was being charitable, but given how stubbornly antagonistic some people are being to the other OP and not engaging with his points, maybe the simpler take is they just want to be a message board fury chimp.
 
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woodlebert said:
it's deliberate. they're trying to shift the ball around gordon to open as passing lane up the pitch

the execution is poor - o'nien slips as he attempts the pass
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It was a shit pass from the keeper and onion wasn’t on his toes either it’s like he wasn’t expecting it why would the keeper deliberately put onion on his wrong foot ???
Weremuthe said:
it looks like Luke slipped just as he was about to boot it down field and got no height on it
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Yeah I know that because he shit himself because the keeper had put him in his wrong foot in the centre of the goal with Gordon baring down
 
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Whitburnmakem said:
It was a shit pass from the keeper and onion wasn’t on his toes either it’s like he wasn’t expecting it why would the keeper deliberately put onion on his wrong foot ???
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o'nien's first touch is with his right foot. he looks ready to me

i think the plan is for o'nien to open an angle to use his left to send the ball over to rigg/brobbey and he slips as he plants his right which forces the error in the execution of the kick
 
One of the plays they like to do is
woodlebert said:
o'nien's first touch is with his right foot. he looks ready to me

i think the plan is for o'nien to open an angle to use his left to send the ball over to rigg/brobbey and he slips as he plants his right which forces the error in the execution of the kick
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i don’t think he would purposely use his left given the circumstances he was left with no choice if the pass was across him onto his right if you look Guitruida is in acres of space on the right he could of juts rolled it down line to him I do t even think where elborg took the kick from was a great position to pass to Luke’s side distance was too far given how close Gordon is
 
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Whitburnmakem said:
One of the plays they like to do is

i don’t think he would purposely use his left given the circumstances he was left with no choice if the pass was across him onto his right if you look Guitruida is in acres of space on the right he could of juts rolled it down line to him
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he sometimes uses his left voluntarily for free kicks.

he would definitely back himself to use it if it was going to give the best angle for a pass

o'nien and ellborg have a really long chat before it's taken, it's clearly a deliberate plan
 
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woodlebert said:
he sometimes uses his left voluntarily for free kicks.

he would definitely back himself to use it if it was going to give the best angle for a pass

o'nien and ellborg have a really long chat before it's taken, it's clearly a deliberate plan
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Yes it is but the pass is shit from keeper it’s not even infront of onien and it’s weak as piss it should of been played so
he can let the ball run across him into the wide space and then down the line he can’t do nowt because the keepers kicked the ball straight at him and the distances isn’t right either where he’s took it from gives Gordon time to make up a lot of ground. The pass they like to make is keeper Into xhaka feet then he plays it first time out to the fullback
woodlebert said:
o'nien's first touch is with his right foot. he looks ready to me

i think the plan is for o'nien to open an angle to use his left to send the ball over to rigg/brobbey and he slips as he plants his right which forces the error in the execution of the kick
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Think it’s asking a bit much a defender to kick the ball from the goal kick area all the way to the edge of the opposition box with his wrong foot like that’s canny distance it was panic move
 
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Whitburnmakem said:
Yes it is but the pass is shit from keeper it’s not even infront of onien and it’s weak as piss it should of been played so
he can let the ball run across him into the wide space and then down the line he can’t do nowt because the keepers kicked the ball straight at him and the distances isn’t right either where he’s took it from gives Gordon time to make up a lot of ground. The pass they like to make is keeper Into xhaka feet then he plays it first time out to the fullback
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i think o'nien could probably let the ball roll and pass it to the right if he wished, he'd have barnes closing in on it quickly

i think it goes to plan until o'nien slips, is another way to put it. i think they're trying to bypass barnes by having o'nien change direction quickly

yes i love that one touch pass he makes - often out to the left back
Whitburnmakem said:
Think it’s asking a bit much a defender to kick the ball from the goal kick area all the way to the edge of the opposition box with his wrong foot like that’s canny distance it was panic move
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brobbey is on the haflway line as is rigg
 
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woodlebert said:
yes my point is that i think ellborg does what he's meant to.

he has a lengthy chat with onien prior to the goal kick and xhaka spends the whole thing gesturing them towards geertruida. i think luke had an idea to be a bit overly clever. something to do with switching the direction of the pass to make barnes close off the lane to geertruida and then luke gets a bit of space down the middle of the pitch with a first touch back across goal and then a left footed ping up to the brobbey/rigg area of the pitch - something we did a fair bit in the rest of the match

he slips as he kicks it (as did a few people in that box funnily enough) and it goes wrong, but i think that's what he's trying to do
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I don't think it's a case of not liking him...most people love him. I think his lack of game time shows that people are probably right in feeling like he isn't really good enough to be a starter at this level.

Overall he's done well when he has played. But he is vulnerable to mad moments, which can be costly at this level.
 
brains said:
I don't think it's a case of not liking him...most people love him. I think his lack of game time shows that people are probably right in feeling like he isn't really good enough to be a starter at this level.

Overall he's done well when he has played. But he is vulnerable to mad moments, which can be costly at this level.
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not sure you've replied to the right post?

agree with your point - he's well liked and not good enough to be a regular starter
 
He made a mistake, but he got his head down and played hard well done fella. Mind you if we hadn’t won, I’m sure he would be our baddie 🤪🤪🤪
 
See I kinda dispute the 'he's not good enough to be a starter' stance purely because in two of the full games he played recently he won MOTM.

So yeah there was a mistake on Sunday but going over and over it won't change the fact that it was a mistake and mistakes happen eg Le Fee's penalty.

Luke's worked hard to get his place and he deserves it. Two MOTM awards in 3 months is a massive thing for a man no one ever expected to be in the prem.
 
In all walks of life that’s called a fu** up. No more, no less, you learn and move on from it. It happens to everyone in every job. In my mind the team, collectively said, “No way we’re losing due to that. If they want to win they’re going to have to earn it”
 
HearMeRoar said:
See I kinda dispute the 'he's not good enough to be a starter' stance purely because in two of the full games he played recently he won MOTM.

So yeah there was a mistake on Sunday but going over and over it won't change the fact that it was a mistake and mistakes happen eg Le Fee's penalty.

Luke's worked hard to get his place and he deserves it. Two MOTM awards in 3 months is a massive thing for a man no one ever expected to be in the prem.
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Just my opinion, but I think a regular starter at centre back who is vulnerable to making mistakes / errors of judgement will cost you over the course of the season.

I think he's done better than most of us expected and his performance on Sunday after the mistake pretty much epitomises his positive attitude and mentality.

I might be wrong, but I think RLB would move Mukiele to CB and put Hume at right back ahead of starting O'Nien.

He's down the pecking order, but overall he's done well when called upon.
 
This level is still new to him but apart from the odd howler when his concentration lapses, he keeps learning and he keeps improving.. if he stops eating smarties, wotsits and tizer before the game he’ll be superb 😜
 
The Situation said:
He's a cracking bloke, a role model for young players everywhere, but we simply can't be in a position to have to start him in Premier League games.

People will cite the Leeds game but Alderete was by a million miles the true man of the match that night and Luke should have had a penalty given against him early doors which would have changed the whole game.
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Not having a go at you it’s just the first post in here that I seen like this. The problem is who are you going to get who is better then him whilst also happy to be 4/5th choice centre half who can also fill in at full back whilst also being such a happy positive force around the club. Remember we have only got to the point we have had to play him twice this season and a reminder we won both those games.
 
woodlebert said:
not sure you've replied to the right post?

agree with your point - he's well liked and not good enough to be a regular starter
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He is good enough hence why we are still beating teams with him in the side he’s not gonna kick up a fuss or huff for been a squad player that’s what you need
brains said:
Just my opinion, but I think a regular starter at centre back who is vulnerable to making mistakes / errors of judgement will cost you over the course of the season.

I think he's done better than most of us expected and his performance on Sunday after the mistake pretty much epitomises his positive attitude and mentality.

I might be wrong, but I think RLB would move Mukiele to CB and put Hume at right back ahead of starting O'Nien.

He's down the pecking order, but overall he's done well when called upon.
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Onto other player your gonna get to juts be a squad player is a young lad learning the game who’s also gonna make mistakes happy with onien he’s happy with his role he’s not gonna kick up a fuss or cause disruption he’s also obv very strong minded and if does make a mistake it’s not gonna affect him as we seen at weekend you don’t get that with kids their heads go
 
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