Ashes Inquest

[scotch]

Only the ECB could conduct a review which finds that there was an unprofessional culture then decide to keep in charge the people who's responsible for creating that culture in the first place.

Remember when they sacked KP and Moores when he told them Moores wasn't upto the job as coach....and then they gave Moores the job again and sacked him again.

If the Captain and Coach aren't on the same page then results suffer, the Ashes is proof.

Keys is bottling the decision, something tells me Baz has probably said he'd walk away from the short form teams as well and Keys can't be bothered with the hassle of appointing either a coach for all formats or two new coaches

 

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[Lumley End]

My guess is they can’t afford (or don’t want to pay) to bin off McCullum. I also suspect Key hasn’t got the balls to do it either. I also think if they wanted to change and went for Stokes instead then there would be uproar. They’re backed into a corner.

McCullum has them by the balls. He got the test job on no basis really, then they let him loose with the white ball sides too. No doubt he will be on a pretty penny, and frankly he doesn’t look like he’s arsed about earning it.

 

[Voice of fair play]

My guess is they can’t afford (or don’t want to pay) to bin off McCullum. I also suspect Key hasn’t got the balls to do it either. I also think if they wanted to change and went for Stokes instead then there would be uproar. They’re backed into a corner.

McCullum has them by the balls. He got the test job on no basis really, then they let him loose with the white ball sides too. No doubt he will be on a pretty penny, and frankly he doesn’t look like he’s arsed about earning it.

It could be as simple as overall throughout his full tenure, the test win ratio under McCullum is quite good

 

[Aidan11]

It could be as simple as overall throughout his full tenure, the test win ratio under McCullum is quite good

Against lesser test nations, yes.

His record v Australia and India is not so good.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Against lesser test nations, yes.

His record v Australia and India is not so good.

Yeah like I say overall record quite good, definitely in terms of wins v tests played

However get your point the home series against them two nations should have done better although could easily have won them, tight margins.

The away series against them two nations they have basically played more or less as bad as every other England team have over the last 25/30 years, bar 2 notable exceptions.

 

[Parkside]

It could be as simple as overall throughout his full tenure, the test win ratio under McCullum is quite good

Can you not see/accept that his one size fits all method has been found out?The original boost is history and it's only recent results that are meaningful. Having said that Key and McCullum will remain. It's a question whether they'll accept the need to adapt,which I doubt very much. I'm not expecting any humility and apologies on Monday. Carry on as before.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Yeah like I say overall record quite good, definitely in terms of wins v tests played

However get your point the home series against them two nations should have done better although could easily have won them, tight margins.

The away series against them two nations they have basically played more or less as bad as every other England team have over the last 25/30 years, bar 2 notable exceptions.

The counter to that is we don’t win series’ because we don’t draw

Another Edgbaston Jamie Smith rant

 

[Voice of fair play]

Can you not see/accept that his one size fits all method has been found out?The original boost is history and it's only recent results that are meaningful. Having said that Key and McCullum will remain. It's a question whether they'll accept the need to adapt,which I doubt very much. I'm not expecting any humility and apologies on Monday. Carry on as before.

That’s not the debate I was having you have turned your post into that, I was merely pointing out that he is probably still in the job because his overall test win ratio is quite good

The counter to that is we don’t win series’ because we don’t draw

Another Edgbaston Jamie Smith rant

I suppose the counter to your fair point is that they have won test matches that previous regimes would have not won because they would have not even tried!

I totally accept your point on that egdbaston game and your rant.

But equally rant at the previous regime not even attempting a fourth innings chase against New Zealand when they only needed 277 of 77 overs and never attempted from ball one finishing 160 odd for 3 of them overs!

I my mind I know what I consider worse.

But of course we need the right balance between the two.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

That’s not the debate I was having you have turned your post into that, I was merely pointing out that he is probably still in the job because his overall test win ratio is quite good

I suppose the counter to your fair point is that they have won test matches that previous regimes would have not won because they would have not even tried!

I totally accept your point on that egdbaston game and your rant.

But equally rant at the previous regime not even attempting a fourth innings chase against New Zealand when they only needed 277 of 77 overs and never attempted from ball one finishing 160 odd for 3 of them overs!

I my mind I know what I consider worse.

But of course we need the right balance between the two.

Of course. It’s more that I feel there are times when they can’t win, and they haven’t tried to draw

 

[Parkside]

That’s not the debate I was having you have turned your post into that, I was merely pointing out that he is probably still in the job because his overall test win ratio is quite good

And I'm merely countering that the overall record is immaterial.
As many expressed concern very quickly but were ridiculed by you and others but we been proven right in our initial concerns.
Stokes has recognised the limitations of the attack at all times.
Have you?
The pity is that I believe there is immense raw talent with the making of a very good team with greater discipline both on and off the field.
I don't believe that any creditable candidate will step up to replace McCullum with Key still calling the shots so the issue is will McCullum admit to the need for adjustment?

 

[Voice of fair play]

Of course. It’s more that I feel there are times when they can’t win, and they haven’t tried to draw

Yeah that absolutely fair of course it is, and particularly the game you mention.

However I get a tad confused at times how not even trying to win games gets less criticism than trying to win but losing.

There is games under McCullum where they have went for wins when should have settled for a draw, I accept that, but they also several games they have won, where other previous England teams would not have even attempted.

I think it has to be accepted they have thrown away some really good positions and they need to adapt to situations in games much better and adapt their style.

But I also still have the overall view after watching many tedious England test teams meekly surrender over the years by simply looking to survive that a positive approach is the way to go, while more than accepting they have gone way too positive on occasions.

And I'm merely countering that the overall record is immaterial.
As many expressed concern very quickly but were ridiculed by you and others but we been proven right in our initial concerns.
Stokes has recognised the limitations of the attack at all times.
Have you?
The pity is that I believe there is immense raw talent with the making of a very good team with greater discipline both on and off the field.

I am not saying or agreeing or disagreeing whether material or immaterial, I am saying that be the simple reason he has still been kept in the job.

And yeah of course they is room for improvement to adapt better to in game situations

 

[Inside Forward]

My guess is they can’t afford (or don’t want to pay) to bin off McCullum. I also suspect Key hasn’t got the balls to do it either. I also think if they wanted to change and went for Stokes instead then there would be uproar. They’re backed into a corner.

McCullum has them by the balls. He got the test job on no basis really, then they let him loose with the white ball sides too. No doubt he will be on a pretty penny, and frankly he doesn’t look like he’s arsed about earning it.

Completely stupid to extend McCullum’s contract in 2024 tbh. I found it baffling at the time. Especially as that was when results started to really take a nosedive.

Still like to know which fuck wit was responsible for thinking it was a good idea to have Dan Lawrence opening the batting against Sri Lanka.

 

[Parkside]

Yeah that absolutely fair of course it is, and particularly the game you mention.

However I get a tad confused at times how not even trying to win games gets less criticism than trying to win but losing.

There is games under McCullum where they have went for wins when should have settled for a draw, I accept that, but they also several games they have won, where other previous England teams would not have even attempted.

I think it has to be accepted they have thrown away some really good positions and they need to adapt to situations in games much better and adapt their style.

But I also still have the overall view after watching many tedious England test teams meekly surrender over the years by simply looking to survive that a positive approach is the way to go, while more than accepting they have gone way too positive on occasions.

I am not saying or agreeing or disagreeing whether material or immaterial, I am saying that be the simple reason he has still been kept in the job.

And yeah of course they is room for improvement to adapt better to in game situations

Pleased to read that you've finally conceded the limitations of bazball despite ridiculing those who recognised those limitations far earlier. Ridicule has no credible place in civilised debate.
However,we move on to Monday's revelations of the review of the Ashes. I doubt whether we'll be any the wiser.

 

[scotch]

That 1st test squad of the summer can't have

Crawley
Pope
Even Smith who I think should get back to enjoying his cricket.
Overton either of them

 

[Voice of fair play]

Pleased to read that you've finally conceded the limitations of bazball despite ridiculing those who recognised those limitations far earlier. Ridicule has no credible place in civilised debate.
However,we move on to Monday's revelations of the review of the Ashes. I doubt whether we'll be any the wiser.

Sport and cricket will always have diffrent opinions I think this approach despite it’s limitations and faults is a better and more successful approach than the previous regime and loads of other previous regimes and coaches apart from the odd one or two, which has always been my consistent view.

And the win ratio under McCullum overall is good and a lot better than most coaches in my lifetime watching English test cricket.

That’s not to say we should always be looking to improve and accept a lot of the mistakes he has made but would still stick with him for the above reasons

Can’t for the life of me understand how that is badged as ‘ ridicule’ just a another view imo

That 1st test squad of the summer can't have

Crawley
Pope
Even Smith who I think should get back to enjoying his cricket.
Overton either of them

Smith should definitely stay imo, he is a highly talented cricketer who’s record before The Ashes for relatively new to test cricket was very good.

He should not be dropped in the back of one really bad series that would be a knee jerk reaction that was wrong with English cricket in the past.

That said though he has got strong competition with James Rew and imagine he next in line to come into this side

 

[Parkside]

Sport and cricket will always have diffrent opinions I think this approach despite it’s limitations and faults is a better and more successful approach than the previous regime and loads of other previous regimes and coaches apart from the odd one or two, which has always been my consistent view.

And the win ratio under McCullum overall is good and a lot better than most coaches in my lifetime watching English test cricket.

That’s not to say we should always be looking to improve and accept a lot of the mistakes he has made but would still stick with him for the above reasons

Can’t for the life of me understand how that is badged as ‘ ridicule’ just a different view

You're fully entitled to your view and initially there was merit in it. What I was referring to was your ridicule you expressed to those individuals who soon saw limitations in the one size fits all approach,labelling "moaners, happy to find fault.negativity". Those concerns have been proved valid and correct. My post was,quite clear as to what ridicule I was referring to.
Role has no place in positive debate
However we move on but I doubt we'll get any clarity tomorrow.
Ridicule not role!
That same ridicule never enhances your viewpoint.

 

[Inside Forward]

Smith definitely has talent for international cricket but he seems mentally weak which is concerning.

 

[scotch]

Smith definitely has talent for international cricket but he seems mentally weak which is concerning.

Very talented but he looked like he wasn't enjoying his cricket and that he wanted to be anywhere but on the cricket field, the wicket keeper needs to bring energy when fielding and he didn't do that. Prior hammered him on that front.

Can see a scenario where Smith is in the team for his batting alone and one of the Rew brothers keep wicket

@Voice of fair play rather than quoting your post earlier, I agree that Smith gets in the best XI when in form

 

[Inside Forward]

Very talented but he looked like he wasn't enjoying his cricket and that he wanted to be anywhere but on the cricket field, the wicket keeper needs to bring energy when fielding and he didn't do that. Prior hammered him on that front.

Can see a scenario where Smith is in the team for his batting alone and one of the Rew brothers keep wicket

@Voice of fair play rather than quoting your post earlier, I agree that Smith gets in the best XI when in form

Long term I’d like to see him move up the order. He can score all round the wicket and he can take the game away from the opposition. Unburdened from being a WK I think he could flourish.

James Rew would be the next cab off the rank to be England WK. His younger brother Thomas looks even more talented.