Jared Gillet

[jarrowdiamond]

if you look at each incident on an individual basis, then the penna call is 100% wrong, and the rest are 80/20 or 60/40 etc... fair enough

other than the added time, which he is 100% wrong about

so two major decisions 100% wrong.

but if you look at the game as a whole, instead of broken down into individual instances, then his performance becomes absolutely woeful.

there was a quite a few 50/50 shoulder charges that one minute he gave, the next minute he didn't. each one is a debatable decisions fair enough, but the lack of consistency means that he 100% got some of the wrong, as the same incident 5 minutes later he called the opposite way.

he had zero control over the game. stopping the game to bring players over to talk to him whilst others were screaming and shouting at him, meaning the play stopped for ages. then apparently he booked sadiki for bad-mouthing him. again, total lack of consistency. the players were running rings around him.

The potential red card on xhaka where he gave them a free kick is 100% wrong too imo. The red card itself is probably 80/90% of the time given but the fact he gave a free kick to them was mind-blowing.

 

[Jasper]

The performance you'd expect from a man named after a shit piece of outerwear.

 

[Parkside]

I could add to this debate and state the absolute obvious, logical and common sense view.

Which is if a ref starts out from the bottom of his profession and in a diffrent country and moves all his way up to the top of his profession, therefore ending up in the best league in the world.

He must have been a good ref in a reasonably lot of games?

That’s common sense and logical.

but of course that often in short supply on here when mistakes are remembered for years and good games forgotten in secs

Certain degree of a lack modesty on your behalf in your opening sentence. Good is a comparative, perhaps this referee is adjudged good in a generally low standard overall. That alternative viewpoint,using your language, is equally common sense and logical.Witness the amount of challenging of decisions,simulation,fouling at set pieces that go unpunished and it's a reasonable conclusion that referees aren't exercising a good degree of control i.e. The overall standard isn't good. It's a difficult job because referees have allowed it to become so.

 

[tunstallhill]

Haven't all officals had similar games though? Are any of them capable of refereeing in the premier league in your opinion. I mean how ofter do study has offiacting? Away from sunderland games do you keep tabs on him? I referenced earlier i seen he do Leeds v Man Utd earlier this year and he was excellent. How does that tie in with him not been up for the job?

no i don't go around following referees but a) he is constantly surrounded by controversy and b) his performance on saturday alone shows he isn't up to the job, he totally lost control of the game very early on. he doesn't have any authority on the pitch

 

[Geras]

The performance you'd expect from a man named after a shit piece of outerwear.

Gillets are meant to 'armless. He cant even live up to that

 

[redandwhiterob]

no i don't go around following referees but a) he is constantly surrounded by controversy and b) his performance on saturday alone shows he isn't up to the job, he totally lost control of the game very early on. he doesn't have any authority on the pitch

Is there a referee who isn't 'surrounded in controversy' according to a set of footy fans? You can bet your life if Sunderland fans were asked to pick there favourite official another few sets of fan's would absolutely hate him and reel off a list of injustices they have received off him

 

[tunstallhill]

Is there a referee who isn't 'surrounded in controversy' according to a set of footy fans? You can bet your life if Sunderland fans were asked to pick there favourite official another few sets of fan's would absolutely hate him and reel off a list of injustices they have received off him

fair enough. you think he made one mistake on saturday and other than that it was a normal referee performance

 

[redandwhiterob]

fair enough. you think he made one mistake on saturday and other than that it was a normal referee performance

I think the penalty was an awful decision by him and more so the var team. Once that happened understandably no matter what he done the dye was cast for him. I think the rest of them could have went either way, we arguably got away with one when Roefs fucked up. The potential red card was borderline. Brobbey has got away with two similar, one against Newcastle when he was already on a booking so let's no pretend we don't get the benefit of the doubt at times too

 

[Barista]

I could add to this debate and state the absolute obvious, logical and common sense view.

Which is if a ref starts out from the bottom of his profession and in a diffrent country and moves all his way up to the top of his profession, therefore ending up in the best league in the world.

He must have been a good ref in a reasonably lot of games?

That’s common sense and logical.

but of course that often in short supply on here when mistakes are remembered for years and good games forgotten in seconds

Is it not that it is a FIFA initiative to take referees from countries that have Mickey Mouse leagues and send them to countries with big leagues in order to give them experience of reffing top level football.
FIFA likes to have referees from all their confederations at the WC, so this enables them to say that all the refs at the big competitions have big league experience.
It doesn’t mean that they (e.g Gillet) are good referees, just that they were the best of a mediocre bunch in a country/region with no top level football/little football heritage.

 

[Hongkongphooey]

He must be close to a demotion along with the clowns who were on VAR on Saturday.

 

[tunstallhill]

I think the penalty was an awful decision by him and more so the var team. Once that happened understandably no matter what he done the dye was cast for him. I think the rest of them could have went either way, we arguably got away with one when Roefs fucked up. The potential red card was borderline. Brobbey has got away with two similar, one against Newcastle when he was already on a booking so let's no pretend we don't get the benefit of the doubt at times too

I'm not arguing he was for or against us

I'm arguing that he was utterly shite for 90mins. Inconsistent and zero control over the game

You think he performed well other than missing the penna. Your entitled to that view

 

[viccarlton]

He wouldn’t be welcome officiating Melbourne Victory v Perth Glory

 

[Voice of fair play]

No mate , this ones inexcusable, inexplicable dont forget , not a percentage thing its a serious error for which no obvious cause can be found . Physical execution is always excusable by its nature.
Would you excuse a surgeon for a serious inexplicable error , or a police officer or a gas engineer ? Because overall they were ok ?

In that case then you advocating Haaland, Mbappe, Kane etc been drooped for a cup final if they miss the easiest chance of the season the game before?

Which I think is unfair, personally I think the other examples you mention are not a fair comparison as their one off mistakes could be life threatening.

this is sport.

A fairer comparison is other things in sport.

Would you drop a keeper or a forward if they made the biggest mistake of the season if they overall performances over a season offset that mistake.

For all sports both playing and been an official a fairer way to judge someone is off a big sample size and if Gillet crap over a big sample size then he should be dropped down a division
I have no issue whatsoever dropping Gillett to the championship if at the end of the season looking at the performances of all refs he near or at the bottom.

In fact I think it should happen, however if he not he should be kept.

That’s just fair and logical

 

[Johnny Gently]

I think the penalty was an awful decision by him and more so the var team. Once that happened understandably no matter what he done the dye was cast for him. I think the rest of them could have went either way, we arguably got away with one when Roefs fucked up. The potential red card was borderline. Brobbey has got away with two similar, one against Newcastle when he was already on a booking so let's no pretend we don't get the benefit of the doubt at times too

Gillett reminds me of a former referee nicknamed the thing from Tring who would have ate himself if made of chocolate.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Certain degree of a lack modesty on your behalf in your opening sentence. Good is a comparative, perhaps this referee is adjudged good in a generally low standard overall. That alternative viewpoint,using your language, is equally common sense and logical.Witness the amount of challenging of decisions,simulation,fouling at set pieces that go unpunished and it's a reasonable conclusion that referees aren't exercising a good degree of control i.e. The overall standard isn't good. It's a difficult job because referees have allowed it to become so.

I guess the question I have to that is a ref promoted to the premier leagues because they have been good or bad up until that point??

 

[eddtheduck]

I hope they ask Dermot Gallagher on that ref watch why they wouldn’t give that. It’s inexcusable.

Not mentioned

 

[Mackem DJ]

Not mentioned

Lol no one gives a shit about VAR robbing the none elite clubs.

If it was Liverpool or Man Utd or Arsenal youd not hear the end

 

[tunstallhill]

In that case then you advocating Haaland, Mbappe, Kane etc been drooped for a cup final if they miss the easiest chance of the season the game before?

Which I think is unfair, personally I think the other examples you mention are not a fair comparison as their one off mistakes could be life threatening.

this is sport.

A fairer comparison is other things in sport.

Would you drop a keeper or a forward if they made the biggest mistake of the season if they overall performances over a season offset that mistake.

For all sports both playing and been an official a fairer way to judge someone is off a big sample size and if Gillet crap over a big sample size then he should be dropped down a division
I have no issue whatsoever dropping Gillett to the championship if at the end of the season looking at the performances of all refs he near or at the bottom.

In fact I think it should happen, however if he not he should be kept.

That’s just fair and logical

Refereeing a game of football isn't a sport though. It isn't a game. Playing the game is a game. Refereeing the game is a job

 

[Billy Batts]

I think the penalty was an awful decision by him and more so the var team. Once that happened understandably no matter what he done the dye was cast for him. I think the rest of them could have went either way, we arguably got away with one when Roefs fucked up. The potential red card was borderline. Brobbey has got away with two similar, one against Newcastle when he was already on a booking so let's no pretend we don't get the benefit of the doubt at times too

Red card borderline? Dear me, he flys into his ankle. They were saying he was pushed into it so didn't have any control, rubbish. First off he wasn't pushed, second point if he was pushed your upper body would fall first, not fly stubs first into a tackle.

 

[Geras]

In that case then you advocating Haaland, Mbappe, Kane etc been drooped for a cup final if they miss the easiest chance of the season the game before?

Which I think is unfair, personally I think the other examples you mention are not a fair comparison as their one off mistakes could be life threatening.

this is sport.

A fairer comparison is other things in sport.

Would you drop a keeper or a forward if they made the biggest mistake of the season if they overall performances over a season offset that mistake.

For all sports both playing and been an official a fairer way to judge someone is off a big sample size and if Gillet crap over a big sample size then he should be dropped down a division
I have no issue whatsoever dropping Gillett to the championship if at the end of the season looking at the performances of all refs he near or at the bottom.

In fact I think it should happen, however if he not he should be kept.

That’s just fair and logical

No i disagree , a referee is not playing sport hes essentially engaged in an intellectual persuit there is no potential for him to fail physically in execution . The VAR even had time to consider the intellectualising at leisure .
Although its true the comparison doesnt represent life and death surely thats a reason the officials should perform better , no pressure . If the surgeons hand wobbled , the gasman stripped a thread , the police missed with Tazer , % human error , take it on balance . If they fail to notice the patient is consious , decide not to turn off the gas or dont report a crime , thats a fundamental failure in decision making that the man on the clapham omnibus has every right to expect not to happen.
99% of men in Clapham shouted penna and were astonished someone decided otherwise . Both you and the other one have already said it was inexplicable.
Thats not fair or logical is it ?