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PinzaC55 said:
Lord Kelvin would certainly have known manned balloon flight was possible.
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I agree, he would. He would have also known that the method of getting a balloon into the air was by using a gas that was lighter than air, which is a bit different from a heavier than air machine achieving flight.
 
fyl2u said:
He said that in a time when steam engines were the pinnacle of engine technology. Combustion engines weren't yet viable so he was likely talking about the power to weight ratio of a steam engine of the time being too small to provide the lift required to get itself and all its fuel into the air. That's very different from saying that a powered aircraft would be in violation of the laws of physics.


We understand the point you're making. You seem to be missing the point everyone else is making.

Right now with our current technology, the fastest any man-made vehicle has ever travelled in space is 0.064% of the speed of light. Making a vehicle travel at even 10% of the speed of light with current technology would be impossible, but it is still conceivable that at some point in the future we could invent some new kind of technology that might be able to make a craft travel that fast.

The problem you have when travelling at speeds that approach the speed of light is mass-energy equivalence, or as you might have heard it described before, E=mc^2.

Mass and energy are effectively the same thing. You can't increase one without increasing the other. This is a fundamental law of the universe. It isn't something someone can develop a technology to overcome. It is innate to the existence of the universe.

What this means is that the faster you go, the "heavier" you get, the more energy would be required to make you accelerate each additional fraction of a percent closer to the speed of light.

(This is regardless of the technology being employed to make you accelerate. The propulsion method is irrelevant. Whatever technology you use to turn energy into forward movement, the energy required to accelerate you each additional fraction of a percent grows as your speed gets closer and closer to the speed of light.)

And this is where the "impossible" problem comes in.

The amount of energy that would be required to make a vehicle REACH the speed of light is more energy than exists in the entire universe.

Let that sink in.

More energy than exists in the entire universe.

So, unless you're proposing that somehow an alien race has managed to create an energy source that has more energy than exists in our entire universe, stick it in a little tiny spacecraft, and despite having harnessed this power, still gives enough of a fuck about the tiny people on a tiny planet in a tiny solar system near the edge of an unremarkable galaxy in an unremarkable cluster to fly here, but somehow still has shitty enough technology that they're crashlanding their little 3-seater runabout in Roswell or can be spotted easily by the crappy cameras of today, then I'm sorry to say that there's no way that anyone out there is travelling all this way, expending the energy of multiple universes in order to give their aerial display teams a bit of a practice runabout in the sky near Silksworth.
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Who says you move forward? Maybes you don’t move at all?
 
fyl2u said:
Well, then you won't go anywhere. :lol:
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I’m obvs talking shit but rather than propel we “fall”.

Ie the space below a “spaceship” has something done to it to allow the ship to fall into the direction. Would that need the same energy calcs etc ? You just fall to the place you want to get to

I’m copywriting this shit , and if I die in the next month by suicide it’s the CIA
 
Space does not exist with its Planets hanging around. Our Earth is flat and we covered with a firmament. The Planets are lights inside the Firmament. Our Moon is not a rock orbiting the earth its a light for night as the sun is a light for the day. Our Earth is stationary and the Sun and Moon rotate around in a figure of eight path which gives rise to our Seasons. Nobody goes to space in ships. The ones we see taking off land in the Bemuda Triangle or smash into the Firmament. Operation High jump was a discovery mission which found the edge of the Firmament and later attempts were made to breach the Firmament without success. Admiral Byrd laso explored the North Pole which is not what they tell us. Many books prior to around 1950 tell us all about the Firmament
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The laws of physics are models to describe nature and why things happen the way they do. Black holes and things like anti matter constantly require the refinement of the models. So it’s not impossible to suggest there is a lot we still don’t understand. Not least, how life came to be. Evolution from small single cell organisms is all well and good but abiogenesis is a theory and whilst the best likely explanation, it isn’t absolute.
 
Violet Club said:
The laws of physics are models to describe nature and why things happen the way they do. Black holes and things like anti matter constantly require the refinement of the models. So it’s not impossible to suggest there is a lot we still don’t understand. Not least, how life came to be. Evolution from small single cell organisms is all well and good but abiogenesis is a theory and whilst the best likely explanation, it isn’t absolute.
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How do you know all this ? You're just guessing aren't you?

Models :lol:

They're fundamental laws of nature, not laws of physics and
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means more than the type of theory your thinking of !

Owt going on in the office today ?
 
Violet Club said:
The laws of physics are models to describe nature and why things happen the way they do. Black holes and things like anti matter constantly require the refinement of the models. So it’s not impossible to suggest there is a lot we still don’t understand. Not least, how life came to be. Evolution from small single cell organisms is all well and good but abiogenesis is a theory and whilst the best likely explanation, it isn’t absolute.
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I think you're missing the point.
 
High Entropy said:
How do you know all this ? You're just guessing aren't you?

Models :lol:

They're fundamental laws of nature, not laws of physics and
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means more than the type of theory your thinking of !

Owt going on in the office today ?
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I think its the laws of grammar you need to be more concerned with :lol:
 
The Blackcat Mackem said:
Space does not exist with its Planets hanging around. Our Earth is flat and we covered with a firmament. The Planets are lights inside the Firmament. Our Moon is not a rock orbiting the earth its a light for night as the sun is a light for the day. Our Earth is stationary and the Sun and Moon rotate around in a figure of eight path which gives rise to our Seasons. Nobody goes to space in ships. The ones we see taking off land in the Bemuda Triangle or smash into the Firmament. Operation High jump was a discovery mission which found the edge of the Firmament and later attempts were made to breach the Firmament without success. Admiral Byrd laso explored the North Pole which is not what they tell us. Many books prior to around 1950 tell us all about the Firmament
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Here we go, NukehassleFan has a new account. :D

Or is it ProfessionalMackem?

Regardless, popcorn time...
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Was it ProfessionalMackem who was the other flat earther? I'm doubting my memory now.
 
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fyl2u said:
Here we go, NukehassleFan has a new account. :D

Or is it ProfessionalMackem?

Regardless, popcorn time...
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Was it ProfessionalMackem who was the other flat earther? I'm doubting my memory now.
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ProfessionalMackem was another conspiracy lad but dont think flat earther.

Was a good poster imo
 
I watched a WWII program yesterday and the "infamous foo fighters" were mentioned. The allied aircrew though they were German secret weapons. After the war when the German pilots were interrogated, they had seen the same things, and they thought that they were Allied secret weapons. Nobody knew what they were 🤷‍♂️
 
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