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Dan Neil

Onienbigmac123 said:
Wow i’m impressed you’ve been on here since the late 90s when the forum was created in 2004…

If you read through my threads instead of making stuff up, I very rarely have a negative view on something.

Also, going to school with people on the board doesn’t prove anything. If I went to school with the king does that make me royalty??

It was also you that insinuated I was a mag in your first post so I think you’d be better off posting in threads about something constructive.

Also your profile clearly says 2006 when you joined. Hopefully your knowledge on players is slightly better than your knowledge of yourself🤣🤣
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The SMB and RTG were two separate message boards that merged because the same people were basically posting the same stuff on both.

And yes, 2006 is when this account started, I had others before.

Do I insert "laughing smilies" now?
 

Perryqhill said:
What on earth is that? 😀

In your percentiles they might not even be judged against each other as part of the same pool and given you've barely any in each category- it's not exactly a decent breakdown.


Percentiles are calculated by comparing a player's statistics to the players in the comparison pool. For example, when calculating the Goals percentile for Kylian Mbappé, we find the percentage of Forwards whose goals are lower than his, and the percentage of Forwards whose goals are lower than or equal to his. The average of these two percentages is his Goals percentile.


I'm looking at a bigger picture over actual stats, alongside percentages than you as an actual side by side comparison. The actual stats make it much closer and in so many instances favour Neil - I've already posted many of them.
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They're not my percentiles, theyre fbrefs. They help to provide context on individuals' statistics that you appeared/appear to be struggling with ("the bigger picture"), and the distinction between the two.

They're judged against each other as they're both counted as midfielders in that division.

That's an interesting choice of words for what a percentile is, thank you.
 
Perryqhill said:
But what data would back that up?

You can hand pick some maybe but even the areas where Neil is meant to be weak if you listen on here like being dispossessed- Neil got dispossessed 45 times to Jobe's 57. Neil made 252 recoveries to Jobe's 221. 40 successful dribbles for Neil to Jobe's 36. Successful passes Neil 1612 Jobe 1358. Neil interceptions 46 to Jobes 31. 2531 touches Neil 2240 Jobe. Dribbled past opposition- Neil 40, Jobe 17.

Jobe has two more goals, same assists. a slightly higher pass percentage accuracy, better longer pass accuracy by a reasonable amount and marginally higher percentage on duels won. Jobe won the ball in the final third 17 times to Neil's 15.

Pick what you want - it's very marginal.


Well no, but then really you're not comparing him to the team in its entirety are you - unless you're foolish. He plays in a position where he's there to attack or provide attacking quality.

If you're assigning a score to it then attacking moments like a shot make it statistically higher.

When you look at his actual data from the game he had four shots, three on target (three were never going in - arguably 4 from that angle).

I'm attack:
No successful crosses - one attempt.
No successful dribbles - 4 attempts.
Dispossessed- 5 times
8 touches in opposition box.

So he can shoot from anywhere, from angles that you aren't likely to score from often and despite not putting a single cross in or a successful dribble he gets a 7 rating?
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As an inverted wide forward his job is to cut in and shoot otherwise what’s the point on him playing on his wrong foot
 
Whitburnmakem said:
As an inverted wide forward his job is to cut in and shoot otherwise what’s the point on him playing on his wrong foot
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Is it also to lose the ball more times than he shoots or get shots on target?
Coeus said:
They're not my percentiles, theyre fbrefs. They help to provide context on individuals' statistics that you appeared/appear to be struggling with ("the bigger picture"), and the distinction between the two.
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I'm in absolutely no way struggling with anything here - have a look back a page and I've picked plenty of for you - actual stats and percentages alongside many of them. There's plenty a available between FBref and Footmob etc and they're very close in all but a couple of areas - some favouring each.

Context is an interesting choice of words given you've posted a load of numbers and then added them up. 😀
 
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Perryqhill said:
Is it also to lose the ball more times than he shoots or get shots on target?


I'm in absolutely no way struggling with anything here - have a look back a page and I've picked plenty of for you - actual stats and percentages alongside many of them. There's plenty a available between FBref and Footmob etc and they're very close in all but a couple of areas - some favouring each.

Context is an interesting choice of words given you've posted a load of numbers and then added them up. 😀
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If you cant understand why they provide context, you're struggling, i tried to help and failed, not for the first time.
 
supamolli said:
He obviously wasn't around for the rows when "Pure Football" was created. I still laugh thinking about those times.
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:lol:

It's not like us to overreact to stuff on here.

Mind you?
I do think the board lost something when the chaos of different threads were sorted out.
I honestly look into the other board once a month.
 
Perryqhill said:
You've picked the Wimbledon game as the last full one he played. Like this is a ridiculous argument given he was 19/20 in his first full season, like many of the young lads had been overplayed, but let's run with it.

From playing a full game against Wimbledon in Feb he played:

56 mins and was subbed
Came on as a 56th min sub
75th min sub
82nd min sub
59th min sub
Played 74 as a starter
86th min sub
80 min sub
66th min sub
82nd min sub

He played 39 times in the league, 3 goals, 7 assists. He started 31 games in his first full season. He played 2724 mins.

We were never below was it 4th during the season when he was playing regularly?

I'm not sure what your argument is or where it's trying to go. As if we were poor with him in or something despite us topping the table earlier in the season. like the drop off in form was entirely his fault and not to be expected with how many kids we had in and how much we were flogging them 😀


He started ok but dropped off a cliff. A limited young lad in a dogshit playing side when all around him seemed to be falling apart with so much negativity. He was very very slow as well.

Probably suits the way Plays bypassing midfield as well.
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Cos it was the last full 90 he played.

His game time was massively limited after that.

We were more solid without him, and being solid got us promoted.
 
Coeus said:
If you cant understand why they provide context, you're struggling, i tried to help and failed, not for the first time.
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You've used percentiles rather than actual stats or per 90, the latter which would be more relevant in a side by side comparison. You have given no context of what the actual ones used are - I couldn't find them to directly compare on fbref, despite there being many more available for a bigger more contextual breakdown and then you've just added the ones up that you've provided - so it's a total, derived from a percentile based on an average against Championship midfielders - in God knows what actual areas and strengths.

This will probably mess the page up but this is per 90 and it's much closed than you would have anyone believe. If you look at the overalls in some departments rather than the per 90 then Neil probably wins it.


Dan Neil

2024/2025

Season performance
Minutes played: 3,882
Total
Per 90
Shooting

Rank
Goals
0.05
Expected goals (xG)
0.02
xG on target (xGOT)
0.02
Non-penalty xG
0.02
Shots
0.56
Shots on target
0.12
Passing
Assists
0.07
Expected assists (xA)
0.03
Successful passes
37.37
Successful passes %
83.9%
Accurate long balls
2.43
Accurate long balls %
52.8%
Chances created
0.72
Successful crosses
0.02
Successful crosses %
7.7%
Possession
Successful dribbles
0.93
Successful dribbles %
50.0%
Touches
58.68
Touches in opposition box
0.51
Dispossessed
1.04
Fouls won
1.23
Defending
Penalties conceded
0.02
Tackles
1.88
Duels won
4.82
Duels won %
50.6%
Aerial duels won
0.81
Aerial duels won %
49.3%
Interceptions
1.07
Blocked shots
0.35
Fouls committed
0.97
Recoveries
5.84
Possession won final 3rd
0.35
Dribbled past
0.93


Jobe Bellingham
Season performance
Minutes played: 3,507
Goals
0.10
Expected goals (xG)
0.08
xG on target (xGOT)
0.04
Non-penalty xG
0.08
Shots
1.33
Shots on target
0.23
Passing
Assists
0.08
Expected assists (xA)
0.06
Successful passes
34.85
Successful passes %
86.1%
Accurate long balls
2.05
Accurate long balls %
65.6%
Chances created
1.21
Successful crosses
0.08
Successful crosses %
30.0%
Possession
Successful dribbles
0.92
Successful dribbles %
58.1%
Touches
57.49
Touches in opposition box
1.80
Dispossessed
1.46
Fouls won
1.51
Defending
Tackles
1.85
Duels won
6.06
Duels won %
51.6%
Aerial duels won
1.77
Aerial duels won %
46.0%
Interceptions
0.80
Blocked shots
0.38
Fouls committed
1.05
Recoveries
5.67
Possession won final 3rd
0.44
Dribbled past
0.44
chriswallace85 said:
Cos it was the last full 90 he played.

His game time was massively limited after that.

We were more solid without him, and being solid got us promoted.
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We were solid for a variety of reasons mainly Alex Neil being appointed on 12th Feb and him getting as much experience back in the side as he could - it was a combination of things.

We were more solid without the likes of Calum Doyle.
 
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Zak's Dad said:
:lol:

It's not like us to overreact to stuff on here.

Mind you?
I do think the board lost something when the chaos of different threads were sorted out.
I honestly look into the other board once a month.
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I know what you mean, I never look at the other boards now but looking at things today it was probably the right decision. There's enough madness in "Pure Football" on its own! But the rows, the passion, the anger, the brilliant reasons given for and against 🤣
 
supamolli said:
I know what you mean, I never look at the other boards now but looking at things today it was probably the right decision. There's enough madness in "Pure Football" on its own! But the rows, the passion, the anger, the brilliant reasons given for and against 🤣
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Yep.

My relationship with this bloody message board is longer than the ones with my son and my partner which only go back 22 years...

:lol: :eek: :oops:
 
Perryqhill said:
You've used percentiles rather than actual stats or per 90, the latter which would be more relevant in a side by side comparison. You have given no context of what the actual ones used are - I couldn't find them to directly compare on fbref, despite there being many more available for a bigger more contextual breakdown and then you've just added the ones up that you've provided - so it's a total, derived from a percentile based on an average against Championship midfielders - in God knows what actual areas and strengths.

This will probably mess the page up but this is per 90 and it's much closed than you would have anyone believe. If you look at the overalls in some departments rather than the per 90 then Neil probably wins it.



Dan Neil

Season performance
Rank
Goals
0.05
Expected goals (xG)
0.02
xG on target (xGOT)
0.02
Non-penalty xG
0.02
Shots
0.56
Shots on target
0.12
Passing
Assists
0.07
Expected assists (xA)
0.03
Successful passes
37.37
Successful passes %
83.9%
Accurate long balls
2.43
Accurate long balls %
52.8%
Chances created
0.72
Successful crosses
0.02
Successful crosses %
7.7%
Possession
Successful dribbles
0.93
Successful dribbles %
50.0%
Touches
58.68
Touches in opposition box
0.51
Dispossessed
1.04
Fouls won
1.23
Defending
Penalties conceded
0.02
Tackles
1.88
Duels won
4.82
Duels won %
50.6%
Aerial duels won
0.81
Aerial duels won %
49.3%
Interceptions
1.07
Blocked shots
0.35
Fouls committed
0.97
Recoveries
5.84
Possession won final 3rd
0.35
Dribbled past
0.93		Jobe Bellingham
Season performance
Minutes played: 3,507
Goals
0.10
Expected goals (xG)
0.08
xG on target (xGOT)
0.04
Non-penalty xG
0.08
Shots
1.33
Shots on target
0.23
Passing
Assists
0.08
Expected assists (xA)
0.06
Successful passes
34.85
Successful passes %
86.1%
Accurate long balls
2.05
Accurate long balls %
65.6%
Chances created
1.21
Successful crosses
0.08
Successful crosses %
30.0%
Possession
Successful dribbles
0.92
Successful dribbles %
58.1%
Touches
57.49
Touches in opposition box
1.80
Dispossessed
1.46
Fouls won
1.51
Defending
Tackles
1.85
Duels won
6.06
Duels won %
51.6%
Aerial duels won
1.77
Aerial duels won %
46.0%
Interceptions
0.80
Blocked shots
0.38
Fouls committed
1.05
Recoveries
5.67
Possession won final 3rd
0.44
Dribbled past
0.44
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I think those stats you've posted suggest Jobe was better.



I think most people's eyesight suggested he was better anarl, but I know you're in minority there.
 
chriswallace85 said:
I think those stats you've posted suggest Jobe was better.



I think most people's eyesight suggested he was better anarl, but I know you're in minority there.
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Dan neil was better at the cdm role than Jobe. That role is pivotal to a team. See granit xhaka for further evidence. We had no one else that could substitute him well enough in that role.
 
dave hedgehog said:
Dan neil was better at the cdm role than Jobe. That role is pivotal to a team. See granit xhaka for further evidence. We had no one else that could substitute him well enough in that role.
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See Granit Xhaka for further evidence of what?


It's debateable whether he was better than Jobe in that role. We didn't see enough of Jobe there.
 
chriswallace85 said:
See Granit Xhaka for further evidence of what?


It's debateable whether he was better than Jobe in that role. We didn't see enough of Jobe there.
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Of the influence that role has on a team. Captains role. Saying jobe was a better midfielder than Neil last season is nonsense. Jobe played there a couple of times and it just didnt work.

Im only pointing this out cos im sick of the disrespect for dan neil. The guy was fantastic for us
 
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