He wasn’t at fault for the goal on Sunday
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Dennis Cirkin
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mackinbristol
Central Defender
I'm hoping that now he's shown he can cope with the Prem that a new contract will be a formality.
You can understand why they'd be reluctant to have offered a new contract before now. He'd been injured for a good while and there was no guarantee at all that he'd make the step up.
He wasn't not at fault.
He chose to press the keeper which left a large space where he should have been, which they then played through for the goal.
Maybe somebody else could have covered across, but it very much looked like he chose to continue the press when it wasn't the right choice.
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brains
Striker
It's fine percentages / small mistakes that lead to goals at this level. Do you think that RLB would want his LB pressing the GK when 1 nil up and just into the second half?
It was a brilliant team effort by Leeds for the goal, but leaving Xhaka filling in at full back and ending up 1 v 1 is not a situation you ever want. It happened at Burnley as well.
Then loads of people were at fault then. Brobby, xhaka, alderete , Nordi. They know when to press man. If he can’t press that then we can’t press.
Perryqhill
Striker
Isn't that what we do as a team though? His position was covered. Leeds passed it around the pitch far too easily. Is anyone daft enough to think Cirkin being at left back makes a Real difference to the Leeds goal? people are making far too much of it.
We fill in, we press like that - Hume and Mukiele have both done it on the other side. Last night we had Alderete and Mukiele pressing their right back at one point. Alderete also pressed in midfield high-up the pitch loads. Xhaka pressed with the forwards meaning defenders pushed in. Players drop in and fill the roles.
We had Mukiele one on one with Haaland most the first half - it's a gamble.
I was more concerned about him looking ill at ease on ball against Leeds for a while, but he was far better last night.
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Cucaracha
Goalkeeper
I might be in the minority but I think Cirkin is perfect cover for the left back position. He’s deffo worth a contract to keep him here. Whether he will accept being on the bench is another matter as Reinildho is 1st choice. From what I’ve seen of him at the Leeds and City games he’s a Premier League class player.
Tadger
Striker
Stepped up last night, fair play to him.
It was always going to be the case that some of the lads from last season would be sidelined and would no longer have a place in the team, but there is always the possibility that they can elevate their game by being around higher quality players with higher standards and then take opportunities when they get them.
The bigger selection headache RLB has the better because we will lose players in the summer.
It was always going to be the case that some of the lads from last season would be sidelined and would no longer have a place in the team, but there is always the possibility that they can elevate their game by being around higher quality players with higher standards and then take opportunities when they get them.
The bigger selection headache RLB has the better because we will lose players in the summer.
brains
Striker
Yes , I think it makes a huge difference. I would never want Xhaka 1 on 1 against a winger. They worked the ball around using their extra man and our players all caught in 2 minds whether to over commit or not. Also we would usually have the legs of Sadiki in there who could maybe cover a bit extra ground and nick the ball.
The high press is a good tactic, but players have to press in their own zones and shape. It's definitely a mistake and lapse in concentration / judgement by Cirkin. You won't see our LB press the keeper again all season.
It's only really acceptable imo if you are behind amd chasing the game.
That aside though, he's done well in the 2 games overall. Looks a better option than Masuaku when both are available.
woodlebert
Striker
You could say the same about Chelsea’s goal. Xhaka went pressing and we lost the ball right in his position in CM
So much happened between Cirkin pressing and their goal, it was a good team goal and a goal our team conceded
Perryqhill
Striker
Its a no brainer for me for both him and the club. Gives him the opportunity to prove himself at this level which he'd probably struggle to get elsewhere with his injuries at the moment.
Gives him some gametime as Reinildo picks up occasional suspensions and injuries without having to play week in week out.
Saves the club spending on an area they'd probably have to bring in a younger unproven player anyway - hes come this far, why not give him that chance?
Injuries and how much Dennis wants possibly being the main issues.
woodlebert
Striker
This isn’t true. Players switch zones all the time. Sadiki covers LB a lot when Reinildo is in the opposition box or pressing
brains
Striker
I don't mean in a rigid shape, players will still get some kind of instruction as to certain areas / shape from coaches. In different phases of play, players will cover different areas.
But, Alderete will never press the keeper, neither should your LB.
Similarly, you never want Xhaka left one on one against a winger with pace.
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woodlebert
Striker
Your first paragraph I agree with, players switch zones all the time.
Your LB can press the keeper - just ask Reinildo - and it means the other players move around to work with that. Like I said, Sadiki is often in the LB position
We obviously don’t know the specific instructions for the Leeds game. But even if Cirkin shouldn’t have been where he was, there were plenty of moments to prevent the goal as a team
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MarcoG
Striker
It's not definitely a mistake because you nor myself nor anyone else knows how they are told to react to the ball being in certain areas. You're speaking like it's an objective fact when the reality is we don't know what the team were instructed to do when it comes to pressing. We've seen our centre halves on the edge of the opposition box multiple times this season, not limited to these but clear examples are Geertruida doing it regularly first half at Chelsea and Mukiele doing it following Tanaka in against Leeds after we'd conceded by having our press beat. If it was such a mistake that we'd pressed high you'd suspect we'd then sit off but we didn't.
That is not the only time our full back has been the highest man this season pressing, that is a fact. It's the first time it might have been noticed because it involved a goal. Doesn't mean it's the only time it happened this season.
Perryqhill
Striker
It makes little if any difference. Xhaka is well placed, we have three against two when the winger recieved the ball. By the time Aaronson plays the ball we have a good defensive line (of four) with Mukiele having eyes on DCL's shirt number. Both Xhaka and Mukiele are too passive.
No one engages after the initial press on the right side of Leeds' defence fails - 11 seconds, 3 passes accross the middle of the pitch from their left back to right wing.
The only possible arguments you could have is that Xhaka dropping in left the midfield short as the ball is played through us, but that happens constantly when Xhaka presses with the forwards anyway and likely why we retract into shape so quickly.
As for players pressing in their own zones and shapes - sorry but that's not quite how we do it, we have players constantly being fluid and filling in. We've already seen other fullbacks do it this season, Reinildo has done it. The right fullbacks have, they done it last night down their right side, hence me mentioning the centre backs pressing there too and how fluid we were with it last night.
Although Cirkin wasn't pressing the keeper last night he was offering the overlap far more than Reinildo does, so he's clearly been given the freedom to do so and also carry the ball.
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MustardAndOnions
Winger
Was a deliberate plan
Wasn’t his fault at all
It’s not at all the main reason we conceded
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