ChrisAshley
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Should never have left for Bayern Munich mind unless he wins a Champions League then having Bundesliga medals isn't much to shout about winning them for Bayern Munich, could have beat Shearer's record ffs.
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Harry Kane
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Another double tonight
Mowgli
Striker
Shearers record means nowt really. Its top scorer of a competition that's 30 year old.
ClassicDom
Winger
Don’t think he’s that bothered by that.
bagpiperay
Striker
England have been useless for years and years. The poorest of managers for that time hasn’t helped over the years either.
Shearer might have the record for the most goals but I don’t recall them winning the mags much.
Have decided the mags are not worth a capital letter.
Ongo Baglogian
Midfield
Shearer’s ‘record’ is completely made up. It’s Jimmy Greaves’ record.
Pepe
Striker
He is playing for one of the great football clubs of the world, living in a great country, playing in the CL, winning trophies and scoring and just generally being class.
Alternatively, he could get a goal at Burnley that would beat a record nobody cares about other than Sky Sports News.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
Winning trophies? He joined a team that had won 11 league titles in a row in the league and his 1st season stopped that run. Aye they won it again last season by 13 points as normal service resumed for his 1st trophy and their version of the Community Shield is all he's won so nowt to write home about.
He's obviously going to score goals in that league as he's in a good team up against worse defenders than the Premier League. The Bundesliga is up there with Scottish and French leagues with 1 dominant team not really being challenged for the title.
He's one of the best strikers but it's a shame he eventually had to leave Spurs and couldn't have gone to another team in the Premier League so we could still watch him.
I love the fact shearer has that record. If that’s the only thing he ever won at Newcastle, and is more proud of that than winning trophies elsewhere, it means absolutely nothing and he should be ridiculed for it.
Cee Jay
Striker
Bayern are a European giant...
As usual people swallow the whole narrative about the PL ( best in the world, all the best players etc etc)
ClassicDom
Winger
They’ve only won 6 champions leagues. Tinpot iirc.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
I'm not swallowing any narrative at all as I'm saying the standard of the defenders Kane's up against is worse or do you think the Bundesliga defenders have made it harder for Kane to score? The Premier League doesn't have all the best players but it has a higher level of players overall and some of the teams in Bundesliga would be Championship at best.
Of the top 30 revenues in 2024, 14 were Premier League teams and only 3 from Bundesliga, Bayern, Dortmund and thanks to Europe, Eintract. This allows teams to offer players more money and most of the better ones will follow the money. The total market value of the Bundesliga is £3.76bn on transfermarkt, yet the Premier League just spent £3.19bn on player fees this last transfer window. Even with inflated fees I think it's safe to say the overall standard of the defence in Bundesliga that Kane is up against isn't near PL level.
Given Bayern have won 12 of the last 13 shows just how uncompetitive the Bundesliga league is. In Germany, Bayern are a huge fish in a little pond and why I said that winning the Bundesliga and the Community Shield is nowt to write home about in reply to someone saying Kane is winning trophies.
That's why the greedy in the game wanted the European Super League as the money it would generate globally would ne huge due to having all the best players in the world in a single league. It's why the Champions League evolved into mini league worth £billions and will keep evolving as it grows and the Premier League drops off. It's TV, ads, sponsorship that drive most of the money in the game and in time the Champions League will be worth more than the Premier League.
Long story short, Kane has it easier in Bundesliga so needs to win more than Bundesliga
How many people talk about or remember the 1,000s of other players who won a trophy or 2 in the last 80 years? Why do people still remember one of the greats Greavsie who never won the Division 1 title?
Shearer may be proud of his goals record (it's higher given he scored 23 pre Premier League) and he'd obviously be prouder if he's won summit and some people may forget he won the Premier League with Blackburn.
Surely you're not one of those who can't recognise players because they haven't won anything? Did Messi suddenly become a far better player the second he won the World Cup aged 35 or could it be he was past his peak but it was still clear to most just how good he was?
If Kane had beaten Shearer's record (aye Greavsie has the most but that's a differenyt era) then it's still a considerable acheivement, more so that he did it while winning nowt at Spurs. Spurs got close to winning the title like the mags but weren't good enough as a team or there was simply another team better than them at that time.
waffle over as I've wasted enough time on here today
i just think goal records are a bit pointless if you win nothing to go alongside it (barring that 1 with blackburn). Especially when you had the chance to set that goal record AND win trophies elsewhere. He, and greavsie were both great players admittedly, but to me, goal records don't amount to much, in my eyes. I'm fairly sure if you ask the man utd players of that era if they're jealous of shearer's record, and would give up any trophies they won to swap, not a single one of them would say yes.I'm not swallowing any narrative at all as I'm saying the standard of the defenders Kane's up against is worse or do you think the Bundesliga defenders have made it harder for Kane to score? The Premier League doesn't have all the best players but it has a higher level of players overall and some of the teams in Bundesliga would be Championship at best.
Of the top 30 revenues in 2024, 14 were Premier League teams and only 3 from Bundesliga, Bayern, Dortmund and thanks to Europe, Eintract. This allows teams to offer players more money and most of the better ones will follow the money. The total market value of the Bundesliga is £3.76bn on transfermarkt, yet the Premier League just spent £3.19bn on player fees this last transfer window. Even with inflated fees I think it's safe to say the overall standard of the defence in Bundesliga that Kane is up against isn't near PL level.
Given Bayern have won 12 of the last 13 shows just how uncompetitive the Bundesliga league is. In Germany, Bayern are a huge fish in a little pond and why I said that winning the Bundesliga and the Community Shield is nowt to write home about in reply to someone saying Kane is winning trophies.
That's why the greedy in the game wanted the European Super League as the money it would generate globally would ne huge due to having all the best players in the world in a single league. It's why the Champions League evolved into mini league worth £billions and will keep evolving as it grows and the Premier League drops off. It's TV, ads, sponsorship that drive most of the money in the game and in time the Champions League will be worth more than the Premier League.
Long story short, Kane has it easier in Bundesliga so needs to win more than Bundesliga
How many people talk about or remember the 1,000s of other players who won a trophy or 2 in the last 80 years? Why do people still remember one of the greats Greavsie who never won the Division 1 title?
Shearer may be proud of his goals record (it's higher given he scored 23 pre Premier League) and he'd obviously be prouder if he's won summit and some people may forget he won the Premier League with Blackburn.
Surely you're not one of those who can't recognise players because they haven't won anything? Did Messi suddenly become a far better player the second he won the World Cup aged 35 or could it be he was past his peak but it was still clear to most just how good he was?
If Kane had beaten Shearer's record (aye Greavsie has the most but that's a differenyt era) then it's still a considerable acheivement, more so that he did it while winning nowt at Spurs. Spurs got close to winning the title like the mags but weren't good enough as a team or there was simply another team better than them at that time.
waffle over as I've wasted enough time on here today
Cee Jay
Striker
Aye as many as Liverpool and more than Man U/Arsenal and City combined
ClassicDom
Winger
The same Messi who has won so many trophies and titles that I can’t even paste them as a reply to this message because it takes it over the 10,000 character limit?I'm not swallowing any narrative at all as I'm saying the standard of the defenders Kane's up against is worse or do you think the Bundesliga defenders have made it harder for Kane to score? The Premier League doesn't have all the best players but it has a higher level of players overall and some of the teams in Bundesliga would be Championship at best.
Of the top 30 revenues in 2024, 14 were Premier League teams and only 3 from Bundesliga, Bayern, Dortmund and thanks to Europe, Eintract. This allows teams to offer players more money and most of the better ones will follow the money. The total market value of the Bundesliga is £3.76bn on transfermarkt, yet the Premier League just spent £3.19bn on player fees this last transfer window. Even with inflated fees I think it's safe to say the overall standard of the defence in Bundesliga that Kane is up against isn't near PL level.
Given Bayern have won 12 of the last 13 shows just how uncompetitive the Bundesliga league is. In Germany, Bayern are a huge fish in a little pond and why I said that winning the Bundesliga and the Community Shield is nowt to write home about in reply to someone saying Kane is winning trophies.
That's why the greedy in the game wanted the European Super League as the money it would generate globally would ne huge due to having all the best players in the world in a single league. It's why the Champions League evolved into mini league worth £billions and will keep evolving as it grows and the Premier League drops off. It's TV, ads, sponsorship that drive most of the money in the game and in time the Champions League will be worth more than the Premier League.
Long story short, Kane has it easier in Bundesliga so needs to win more than Bundesliga
How many people talk about or remember the 1,000s of other players who won a trophy or 2 in the last 80 years? Why do people still remember one of the greats Greavsie who never won the Division 1 title?
Shearer may be proud of his goals record (it's higher given he scored 23 pre Premier League) and he'd obviously be prouder if he's won summit and some people may forget he won the Premier League with Blackburn.
Surely you're not one of those who can't recognise players because they haven't won anything? Did Messi suddenly become a far better player the second he won the World Cup aged 35 or could it be he was past his peak but it was still clear to most just how good he was?
If Kane had beaten Shearer's record (aye Greavsie has the most but that's a differenyt era) then it's still a considerable acheivement, more so that he did it while winning nowt at Spurs. Spurs got close to winning the title like the mags but weren't good enough as a team or there was simply another team better than them at that time.
waffle over as I've wasted enough time on here today
Yeah he’d definitely be remembered more if all he’d done was score 261 premier league goals instead
woodlebert
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ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
It's not pointless if that's all you've got as there's an even better teams at the time. Aye the mags were good but how many players can you remember from their squads compared to the Man Utd players? Man Utd and Arsenal in the 90s/early 2000s were the teams to beat as they had some world class players. Blackburn aside, one of Man Utd or Arsenal won the PL from when it started in 1992 until 2004/05 when Chelsea's millions came along.
The mags were punching above their weight but in Shearer's 2nd season they reverted back to a mid table for 5 seasons. They had another 3 season spell from 2001/02 and Shearer was banging in the goals but it still wasn't enough as they didn't have similar calibre players around him. Aye Leicester won it but that season 71 points would have been enough to win the league and the mags would have won the PL 4 times with the points, once with Shearer. Is Vardy a better player than Shearer because he won the PL? It would take Vardy 620 games to score the same goals Shearer did in 441.
Shearer could have went to Man Utd and won loads like Andy Cole but he did what I would have done and went to his home club. Winning a trophy with them would mean more than winning at Man Utd who had won summit every season since 1990.
Again I'm mixing it up as it's obvious certain honours mean more to a player but for me it's not the be all and end all of just how good a player was. Though for Kane, winning the Bundesliga isn't as 'big' an honour as if he'd won the PL with Spurs and they certainly came close in 2016/17. They got 86 points, 5 more than winners Leicester got the season before. They also had a sniff at winning the Champions League and I'd say even winning that would be a bigger achievement than winning the one-horse race Bundesliga.
Notice how I said it suddenly made him a better player, not more remembered. There were people stuck in the Messi v Ronaldo debate using the fact Messi hadn't won the World Cup etc. Yet even before that moment of lifting the WC, especially in his peak years prior he was the better all round player as it's not all about goals.
I think I'm mixing it all up as there's no question having a Premier League title is better than top goalscorer for the player. But as to how good a player is then it's a little different IMO when it comes to how they're remembered by people. To be recognised by your peers and globally itself is still an achievement. That's why Shearer and Greavsie will be long remembered than Premier League winner Vardy ever will.
Reet that's enough waffle and apologies for wasting peoples time
