Club Statement: ECB Domestic Structure

[viccarlton]

Purely a personal thing, but DCCC are doing a grand job of slowly but surely alienating me from all things Durham cricket, I realise a lot of my angst would probably be considered childish and immature but my feelings are ingrained and I don’t see them changing any time soon.
I’m a traditionalist, so everything that moves from the cricket I knew growing up bugs the life out of me, Durham Cricket, For the North, crazy scheduling of fixtures, borrowing and loaning of players ( the club has lost it’s identity) the scenario that is currently being put in front of us ( I’ve not been canvassed) I’m just about done with it all.
To add a bit of sick humour to my post I’m actually going to Taunton next week , proof in itself that I’m not wired up properly.
I will of course fully acknowledge any posters right to have a contrary view to mine, I also have no doubt that the flaws in my opinions will be pointed out to me by those that feel they know better.
PS Will Durham Cricket be bothered if I cancel my membership, not at all, I honestly don’t think they would be bothered if we didn’t have any members.
Enjoy today people.

 

[Parkside]

You talk about the thrills of four day cricket and mention the word ‘ many’

Every single team that’s every single team in division one has more drawn matches than wins and when teams push and entertain and look for wins nothing better.

Where as four day cricket is undoubtedly entertaining when teams push for wins.

However when every single team has more draws than wins that’s not a good advert for 4 day cricket an xxx not many thrills imo
Ooh
IMO teams y should take more risks to win more games.

Sorry every single team bar one and they still have not got more wins than draws it’s equal
If teams themselves took more risks and a more positive approach and entertaining outlook , then that would help promote rather than been critic of other people not promoting it

Each to his own, of course, but genuinely feel sorry for you that your perspective of cricket is so limited. Regardless of the overall result there are always passages of play or instances of individual skill to be appreciated. Winning is nice but should not be the sole perspective.Most team try to be positive which is why Sussex got so much flak for not being so.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Each to his own, of course, but genuinely feel sorry for you that your perspective of cricket is so limited. Regardless of the overall result there are always passages of play or instances of individual skill to be appreciated. Winning is nice but should not be the sole perspective.Most team try to be positive which is why Sussex got so much flak for not being so.

That’s not my point in the slightest.

Of course there is a passages of play that is exciting.

And nothing more exciting than a good 4/5 day game.

However when every single team in the championship top league draws more games than they win that’s not a good advert for it imo.

The view put across was that 4 day game should be promoted more.

My view is those within it should promote more by having a more positive outlook and playing more positive cricket.

The national team has shown the way and that it can be done all be it them playing a extra day.

When a team can top a league which they are at the moment drawing 66% of their games that’s not a good promotion for that league imo.

Winning may not be the sole perspective but it should be a lot more focus on it than it is at the moment.

Especially if people want our 4 day game promoted, then take some responsibility and play more result cricket.

Of all the points I make on this cricket board this is the one I am more passionate about.

There is and historically has been far too many draws in our domestic long form game

 

[Fleagle]

Each to his own, of course, but genuinely feel sorry for you that your perspective of cricket is so limited. Regardless of the overall result there are always passages of play or instances of individual skill to be appreciated. Winning is nice but should not be the sole perspective.Most team try to be positive which is why Sussex got so much flak for not being so.

Indeed, I’d go further. The point of red ball is that you have to win the old-fashioned way, by bowling the opposition out. It’s the fact that if you don’t win the old-fashioned way you don’t win at all it makes it special to those of us who like it. If you want twat it as hard as you can and just see who has the most runs at the end cricket that has its place. I enjoy that too. But stop trying to turn the championship into it.

Well best wishes in your retirement. Hope it's soon because cricket as we knew it will be extinct within 5 years.

About 18 months to go so I should be ok even on your pessimistic prognosis. But I’ve been following the game since the beginning of the 70s and people have been saying that since then and almost certainly since before then. So I do t share it.

There are aspects from back then that are gone, especially the loss of outgrounds and proper overseas tours, that I miss. But in cricket, as in life, things change. It’s the demise of cricket in schools and the decline of the recreational game that is the real threat for me. That’s where the money needs to be spent.

 

[Parkside]

That’s not my point in the slightest.

Of course there is a passages of play that is exciting.

And nothing more exciting than a good 4/5 day game.

However when every single team in the championship top league draws more games than they win that’s not a good advert for it imo.

The view put across was that 4 day game should be promoted more.

My view is those within it should promote more by having a more positive outlook and playing more positive cricket.

The national team has shown the way and that it can be done all be it them playing a extra day.

When a team can top a league which they are at the moment drawing 66% of their games that’s not a good promotion for that league imo.

Winning may not be the sole perspective but it should be a lot more focus on it than it is at the moment.

Especially if people want our 4 day game promoted, then take some responsibility and play more result cricket.

Of all the points I make on this cricket board this is the one I am more passionate about.

There is and historically has been far too many draws in our domestic long form game

Yeh,I'm aware of your opinion- it's being aired ad nausea. You've simply reiterated your perspective of what constitutes positive cricket. What constitutes positive cricket is a purely subjective viewpoint.Campbell,incidentally,is a disciple of Bazball.
I refer you to #84

 

[Voice of fair play]

Yeh,I'm aware of your opinion- it's being aired ad nausea. You've simply reiterated your perspective of what constitutes positive cricket. What constitutes positive cricket is a purely subjective viewpoint.Campbell,incidentally,is a disciple of Bazball.
I refer you to #84

It’s my outlook always has been watching cricket as a kid and now into my fifties.

I make no apology for it and I allowed to be as passionate on how the game should be played as the next bloke.

Draws have of course a place in the game and rightly soo, but there should be in the minority not the high majority!!

It’s been accepted and expected historically that’s it fine to draw a lot of games.

Yet in the same breath people say it should be promoted more.

I say promote more from within by playing more result cricket, not all the time but a hell of a lot more.

Campbell has been extremely refreshing with his approach since he came to Durham long may it continue

 

[Parkside]

It’s my outlook always has been watching cricket as a kid and now into my fifties.

I make no apology for it and I allowed to be as passionate on how the game should be played as the next bloke.

Draws have of course a place in the game and rightly soo, but there should be in the minority not the high majority!!

It’s been accepted and expected historically that’s it fine to draw a lot of games.

Yet in the same breath people say it should be promoted more.

I say promote more from within by playing more result cricket, not all the time but a hell of a lot more.

Campbell has been extremely refreshing with his approach since he came to Durham long may it continue.

You don't have to apologise for your viewpoint. Captains are being positive- simply have a different perspective to you on what constitutes positive. Having to work really hard to win makes it that sweeter when it happens.

 

[mackembhoy]

That’s not my point in the slightest.

Of course there is a passages of play that is exciting.

And nothing more exciting than a good 4/5 day game.

However when every single team in the championship top league draws more games than they win that’s not a good advert for it imo.

The view put across was that 4 day game should be promoted more.

My view is those within it should promote more by having a more positive outlook and playing more positive cricket.

The national team has shown the way and that it can be done all be it them playing a extra day.

When a team can top a league which they are at the moment drawing 66% of their games that’s not a good promotion for that league imo.

Winning may not be the sole perspective but it should be a lot more focus on it than it is at the moment.

Especially if people want our 4 day game promoted, then take some responsibility and play more result cricket.

Of all the points I make on this cricket board this is the one I am more passionate about.

There is and historically has been far too many draws in our domestic long form game

Have you watched much CC this year?

The pitches have been utter shit due to plenty of hot weather and the Kookaburra experiment has contributed to making it even worse.

Correct me if i'm wrong but the content of your post seems to be implying the amount of draws is somehow the players fault for not scoring at 6 an over?

 

[Voice of fair play]

Have you watched much CC this year?

The pitches have been utter shit due to plenty of hot weather and the Kookaburra experiment has contributed to making it even worse.

Correct me if i'm wrong but the content of your post seems to be implying the amount of draws is somehow the players fault for not scoring at 6 an over?

Hway mate of course that is not what I am saying at all.

My point is based of countless years not just this one.

What I am saying is historically teams are far too risk averse and too many games are draws I have always thought this well before this particular season.

Tbf it’s more difficult this season of course that a fair point.

Teams very rarely ‘ risk losing to win’

Part of the problem is the points system is not weighted enough to encourage it so all have more responsibility to take

And not enough targets are set to dangle the carrot so to speak.

There is not enough responsibility imo taken by teams to make domestic long form cricket more entertaining like I say the national team has shown it can be done granted they have a extra day to do it
If we want to look closer to home Durham outlook under Campbell miles better mentality than under Franklin and better for the game of cricket

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

Purely a personal thing, but DCCC are doing a grand job of slowly but surely alienating me from all things Durham cricket, I realise a lot of my angst would probably be considered childish and immature but my feelings are ingrained and I don’t see them changing any time soon.
I’m a traditionalist, so everything that moves from the cricket I knew growing up bugs the life out of me, Durham Cricket, For the North, crazy scheduling of fixtures, borrowing and loaning of players ( the club has lost it’s identity) the scenario that is currently being put in front of us ( I’ve not been canvassed) I’m just about done with it all.
To add a bit of sick humour to my post I’m actually going to Taunton next week , proof in itself that I’m not wired up properly.
I will of course fully acknowledge any posters right to have a contrary view to mine, I also have no doubt that the flaws in my opinions will be pointed out to me by those that feel they know better.
PS Will Durham Cricket be bothered if I cancel my membership, not at all, I honestly don’t think they would be bothered if we didn’t have any members.
Enjoy today people.

Spot on. North and Bostock are on a crusade to change the whole vision/traditions of this club and you can tell they are obsessed with this 16.4 vision and to change the game. I honestly think Botham held them back (a good thing), and since Botham has gone they have a fella (Phil Collins) in who really will just go with what they say. Communication from the club is absolutely shit and that statement still has me annoyed because again as I keep repeating, I am yet to speak/read/hear from a member who the club have consulted over this, so I am calling the club out as telling fibs over this but it's not surprising because the club have little time for members in recent years which is a shame as I felt Campbell was starting to do something with that, but those behind the scenes are dismantling that big time. I do however feel the relationship with members and playing/coaching staff is as good as it has ever been.

Durham won't be bothered if we cancel our memberships.

You'll enjoy Taunton, nice ground and nice people

 

[The Breen Machine]

That’s not my point in the slightest.

Of course there is a passages of play that is exciting.

And nothing more exciting than a good 4/5 day game.

However when every single team in the championship top league draws more games than they win that’s not a good advert for it imo.

The view put across was that 4 day game should be promoted more.

My view is those within it should promote more by having a more positive outlook and playing more positive cricket.

The national team has shown the way and that it can be done all be it them playing a extra day.

When a team can top a league which they are at the moment drawing 66% of their games that’s not a good promotion for that league imo.

Winning may not be the sole perspective but it should be a lot more focus on it than it is at the moment.

Especially if people want our 4 day game promoted, then take some responsibility and play more result cricket.

Of all the points I make on this cricket board this is the one I am more passionate about.

There is and historically has been far too many draws in our domestic long form game

How many draws is the Kookaburra ball responsible for? Another ridiculous introduction from a governing body completely out of touch.

 

[Voice of fair play]

How many draws is the Kookaburra ball responsible for? Another ridiculous introduction from a governing body completely out of touch.

Well absolutely could not agree more.

Ridiculous introduction and terrible for the game.

That’s why it’s everybody’s responsibility to promote and make our domestic 4 day game more entertaining.

First and foremost get rid of the kookaburra ball.

Secondly points systems should be more heavily weighted to encourage teams to go for more wins.

Thirdly captains and teams should take more responsibility and take more risks to achieve wins.

And fourthly I think fans in general just my opinion accept teams been negative too much.

In short lot of things can be done to promote and make the 4 day game more attractive if all have the will to do it.

 

[Aidan11]

Rob Key must thing the English cricket lovers are idiots-

Reducing the County Championship games will make better players

Kookaburra balls will make our future test teams better players in Australia

Zak Crawley is a test cricketer.

It's all rubbish and they are trying to convince us otherwise with the old saying that if you tell people often enough, they'll start to believe it.

Next we'll be preparing dustbowl style pitches to compete in India.

It's really pissing me off that the ECB take us all for mugs and expect us to roll over and accept everything.

 

[The Breen Machine]

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Strange how none of these cricketers who jet set around the world for franchise cricket and big money, seem to feel their wellbeing is impacted.

 

[Parkside]

Well absolutely could not agree more.

Ridiculous introduction and terrible for the game.

That’s why it’s everybody’s responsibility to promote and make our domestic 4 day game more entertaining.

First and foremost get rid of the kookaburra ball.

Secondly points systems should be more heavily weighted to encourage teams to go for more wins.

Thirdly captains and teams should take more responsibility and take more risks to achieve wins.

And fourthly I think fans in general just my opinion accept teams been negative too much.

In short lot of things can be done to promote and make the 4 day game more attractive if all have the will to do so.

How long have you been on the payroll of ECB in your roll of denigrating the red ball game?
Generally captains and teams are positive. Are you really suggesting teams wouldn't do anything reasonable to win?
It's very difficult to take 20 wicket required to win on the slow lifeless wickets that permeate the game due to the English climate particularly in a dry springtime. The game itself should be there to be enjoyed- there are many skills to be appreciated within the game itself. Winning is enjoyable but hasn't to be imperative and the be all and end all.Campbell has a positive attitude and is a great motivator but his "I hate draws" irritates me as showing a limited perspective. Draws simply show that neither team is sufficiently superior to win the game. What exactly is so wrong with that?-it's fact.
The only adjustment I'd make is a limitation on the 1st innings - perhaps 100 overs.
If course there are draws where the end is a foregone conclusion but is a team steamrolling the opposition by an innings not equally boring?

 

[Voice of fair play]

How long have you been on the payroll of ECB in your roll of denigrating the red ball game?
Generally captains and teams are positive. Are you really suggesting teams wouldn't do anything reasonable to win?
It's very difficult to take 20 wicket required to win on the slow lifeless wickets that permeate the game due to the English climate particularly in a dry springtime. The game itself should be there to be enjoyed- there are many skills to be appreciated within the game itself. Winning is enjoyable but hasn't to be imperative and the be all and end all.Campbell has a positive attitude and is a great motivator but his "I hate draws" irritates me as showing a limited perspective. Draws simply show that neither team is sufficiently superior to win the game. What exactly is so wrong with that?-it's fact.
The only adjustment I'd make is a limitation on the 1st innings - perhaps 100 overs.

‘Denigrating’ the red ball game!!

I am advocating making it more watchable and as soo more popular.

There is countless examples of captains declaring too late imo and taking the game away from the opposition rather than setting target and getting the opposition to play more shots thus increasing your chance of taking 10 wickets to win the game

I am sympathetic up to a point that points systems are not weighted enough to encourage it, but never a less I do think teams historically are too risk adverse.

Can only repeat draws have a place in the game and rightly soo but should be the minority not the majority.

Surely you can’t dispute under Campbell Durham are much more watchable than under previous regime.

In answer to your question, imo games are more enjoyable and are more likely to get more people to watch when games end in wins rather than draws.

Too many draws are not good imo for the red ball game
And yes I fully agree been a lot more difficult this particular year to do the above but in general my point still very much stands

 

[Parkside]

‘Denigrating’ the red ball game!!

I am advocating making it more watchable and as soo more popular.

There is countless examples of captains declaring too mate imo.

I am sympathetic up to a point that points systems are not weighted enough to encourage it, but never a less I do think teams historically are to risk adverse.

Can only repeat draws have a place in the game and rightly soo but should be the minority not the majority.

Surely you can’t dispute under Campbell Durham are much more watchable than under previous regime.

In answer to your question, imo games are more enjoyable and are more likely to get more people to watch when games end in wins rather than draws.

I'm well aware of your opinion. Not everyone regards victories as imperative as you do. Nor would they necessarily enjoy victories which have been contrived.Cricket captains are generally more knowledgeable of a particular game than you or I- I wouldn't dictate to them how they should run the match as equally I would be offended if they told me how to do my job.That's exactly what you're doing.

 

[Voice of fair play]

I'm well aware of your opinion. Not everyone regards victories as imperative as you do. Nor would they necessarily enjoy victories which have been contrived.Cricket captains are generally more knowledgeable of a particular game than you or I- I wouldn't dictate to them how they should run the match as equally I would be offended if they told me how to do my job.That's exactly what you're doing.

So now nobody allowed an opinion of what captains should do in a particular situation because they could be offended as they know more than us two.

This board would be canny boring if people never put opinions across on the basis that captains know more about the game than us be it selection, declarations or anything in fact.

 

[Parkside]

So now nobody allowed an opinion of what captains should do in a particular situation because they could be offended as they know more than us two.

This board would be canny boring if people never put opinions across on the basis that captains know more about the game than us be it selection, declarations or anything in fact.

Of course posters express criticism of individual instances-I was extremely critical of what I perceived as complete negativity by Sussex. But a blanket criticism of CC captains in general is a wholly different scenario. Winning isn't the be all and all to them and others as it is to you. They're in a better position than you or I to make the balance on risk taking or aversion. You never clarify why you are so adverse to draws.

 

[The Breen Machine]

Draws in cricket are not all boring, but it is also worth remembering that given how precarious the financial situation of some counties is, playing safe for a draw could be the difference in finishing a couple of places higher up in the table at the end of the season, and a few thousand quid.