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Club Statement: ECB Domestic Structure

Parkside said:
Of course posters express criticism of individual instances-I was extremely critical of what I perceived as complete negativity by Sussex. But a blanket criticism of CC captains in general is a wholly different scenario. Winning isn't the be all and all to them and others as it is to you. They're in a better position than you or I to make the balance on risk taking or aversion. You never clarify why you are so adverse to draws.
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I am not adverse to draws and fully think they necessary on occasions and been some great entertaining draws all though loads more tedious ones

However when they far outweigh wins think the balance is lopsided and not good for the game.

Surely most if not all on here want to see a vibrant popular county championship.

And surely there is more chance of that happening and more entertaining if wins outweigh draws.

If we are going to promote and encourage people to come along to the game.

Saying ‘ come and watch’ but by the way over half our games end up in draws is not a good thing

Like I say a start would be changing the points system to encourage going for more wins
 
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Voice of fair play said:
I am not adverse to draws and fully think they necessary on occasions and been some great entertaining draws all though loads more tedious ones

However when they far outweigh wins think the balance is lopsided and not good for the game.

Surely most if not all on here want to see a vibrant popular county championship.
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Voice of fair play said:
Your perceived utopia that you seek is not easy to achieve otherwise it would be happening. Captains and teams do want what is best including victories if reasonably achievable -Durham under Campbell certainly have that intention. It's very easy for the armchair critic to pontificate -reality is a different issue.
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County cricket is the nursery for test cricket which in this country is the main source of cricket revenue. That's the purpose of it.
It hasn't been self-serving for 60+ years-hence the introduction of the Gillette Cup.
Self-surviving
 
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Yeah I absolutely take that point that a lot lot easier from the armchair position rather than having to make it yourself.

Just putting across both my philosophy for the game and what will make it better going forward imo
 
Voice of fair play said:
Yeah I absolutely take that point that a lot lot easier from the armchair position rather than having to make it yourself.

Just putting across both my philosophy for the game and what will make it better going forward imo
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😀 indeed but other than "being more positive" you've offered nothing concrete or specific. These captains and coaches do know a bit about the game. Uncover pitches,larger seam on the ball, new ball after 50 overs,all no doubt would lead to more results. Bring it on,doubt whether it would increase attendances. Most "walk-up" supporters just drop in for a day or part of -they're unlikely to see a result- just want to see a bit of cricket. They don't regard a win as a "must have". Likewise,most members only a few days of the 4 day game.
 
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One major thing that has to be taken into consideration in amongst all this is that the club was restructured following the FTECB intervention. DCCC still exists but does not control the club. The club is controlled by a company called Durham Cricket which is a CIC (Community Interest Company). Companies House definition of CICs are: Limited companies which operate to provide a benefit to the community they serve. The purpose of a CIC is primarily one of community benefit rather than private profit. Not too sure how this is compatible with proposed Saudi Arabian investment and a franchise cricket tournament neither of which the "community" seem to want.

In my opinion the Saudis have already intervened, with that tie-up with some Arab bank or other for which there is green advertising in the ground. T20 cricket in England should have been franchised from the start, but typically the FTECB have completely ballsed this up and are now trying to catch up. Problem seems to be Sky hold the TV rights for the T20 competition and are not about to give them up soon. So the FTECB have to set up another franchise competition that can be financially carved up AKA The 100. It seems that this has attracted a lot of investment from various parties. However what their intentions are is anyone's guess and plenty of corporate investors will be willing to take a punt on a sporting competition, that may undergo a metamorphosis, or lose a few bob in the process. Wonder what the Indian investors in DCCC think of their investment now? Things don't always pan out the way you expect.
 
Aidan11 said:
Notts members have requested an SGM with the board and are in the process of putting together an electronic petition to present to them at the meeting.
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Lancashire members have also expressed their displeasure of these proposals.

Like Notts (and several other counties), they are annoyed that the proposals don't include the option to maintain the status quo.

I suspect they will.also call for a SGM/EGM.
 
Parkside said:
😀 indeed but other than "being more positive" you've offered nothing concrete or specific. These captains and coaches do know a bit about the game. Uncover pitches,larger seam on the ball, new ball after 50 overs,all no doubt would lead to more results. Bring it on,doubt whether it would increase attendances. Most "walk-up" supporters just drop in for a day or part of -they're unlikely to see a result- just want to see a bit of cricket. They don't regard a win as a "must have". Likewise,most members only a few days of the 4 day game.
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I can only repeat when every single team in a league has more draws than wins, everyone of them, I fail to see how a supporter of red ball cricket would not want to at least flip that around to see more wins.

Unless fans want more draws?
 
Voice of fair play said:
I can only repeat when every single team in a league has more draws than wins, everyone of them, I fail to see how a supporter of red ball would not want to at least flip that around to see more wins.

Unless fans want more draws?
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They don't regard it as a major issue. I've tried to explain on several posts but you totally ignore every point.
Pointless trying to continue the discussion.
 
Parkside said:
They don't regard it as a major issue. I've tried to explain on several posts but you totally ignore every point.
Pointless trying to continue the discussion.
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Well I won’t then I have tried to explain that winning and entertaining is better for promoting the red ball game.

And you respond earlier on with I am trying to denigrate the red ball game when I am actually trying to suggest a way to make it more popular.

It’s pointless really trying when you say fans don’t regard winning as a major issue.

As it clearly is a major issue in any sport I must have been on a different planet all these years
 
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Aidan11 said:
Lancashire members have also expressed their displeasure of these proposals.

Like Notts (and several other counties), they are annoyed that the proposals don't include the option to maintain the status quo.

I suspect they will.also call for a SGM/EGM.
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I still find it promising that Surrey and Middlesex are voting to maintain the status quo. Obviously they have greater financial reserves, but their money and status in the domestic game may hold a bit of sway...
 
Voice of fair play said:
Well I won’t then I have tried to explain that winning and entertaining is better for promoting the red ball game.

And you respond earlier on with I am trying to denigrate the red ball game when I am actually trying to suggest a way to make it more popular.

It’s pointless really trying when you say fans don’t regard winning as a major issue.

As it clearly is a major issue in any sport I must have been on a different planet all these years
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You're just on a different wave length to me;
And despite the excellent reception on my wavelength you refuse to tune in and stay tuned to your dodgy channel🤔
 
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Members surely wouldn’t vote for less cricket ? The season has got longer but how many home days do counties have matches on assuming they go the distance and there’s no rain?!
 
I think the fact of the matter is that any attempt to restructure at the moment is going to be futile because no red ball or T20 cricket can be played in August.

I've honestly never seen anything happen like this in a sport where something which causes so many issues and isn't wanted or watched by 99% of fans of the sport is forced through by the governing body.
 
Parkside said:
😀 indeed but other than "being more positive" you've offered nothing concrete or specific. These captains and coaches do know a bit about the game. Uncover pitches,larger seam on the ball, new ball after 50 overs,all no doubt would lead to more results. Bring it on,doubt whether it would increase attendances. Most "walk-up" supporters just drop in for a day or part of -they're unlikely to see a result- just want to see a bit of cricket. They don't regard a win as a "must have". Likewise,most members only a few days of the 4 day game.
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Exactly. If you were only interested in coming to see a result, you would only turn up on the last day. And most of the time, not even then because it would be a foregone conclusion. You want to see good cricket. So yes, some of the turgid stuff with the kookaburra is definitely a negative. We want to see a decent balance between bat and ball. But you’re not going to attract audiences by obsessing about having a contrived win in every game because most people won’t see it anyway, and those that do will still know it’s contrived.
 
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