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Club Statement: ECB Domestic Structure

Fleagle said:
Would they? I keep getting told this. But even if it was possible, the counties had 20 years to do so. And they could never agree on a competition format that achieved it. It’s the counties that want to have their cake and eat it really. It’s the counties that want both tournaments that cause the fixture congestion.
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Perhaps you should believe what you are told rather than produce a fallacious argument to counter it. The T20 format has remained largely unchanged throughout its existence and provided a financial lifeblood to counties and attracted a new level of supporters. Counties were " coerced" reluctantly to accept the new tournament.
As to the cake element if this was shared equally amongst counties rather than some receiving disproportionate much larger amounts and T20_marketed properly there wouldn't be financial difficulties in cricket.
 

DonaldDownTheWing said:
They’d have been able to get t20 to take off in this country if they’d just spend the hundred money investing in the blast, played the matches in the height of summer with the best players from around the world.
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Two Divisions of 9, 12 game campaign with relegation & promotion. Two down, Two up-1 team promoted as Champions, 1 promoted via play-offs. Six week block from late June to early August.
 
T20 particularly in recent years has clearly been downgraded, how many games are played on a Saturday or Sunday and how many are played midweek?

The problem with the game in this country isn't the formats, it is the scheduling.

I don't think Durham have a 50 over cup game at home on a weekend at all - how can that attract fans and make money?
 
Members are clearly being railroaded into agreeing to this new hotchpotch of measures which in truth appears to be another nail in the authenticity of the county championship as a integral part of cricket history and traditions.
If only the thick idiots had spent more energy promoting the virtues and thrills(because) there are many of four day cricket) instead of this slash bash nonsense there would be none of this so called stress and mental health issues
The members have never been consulted and its an untruth to say otherwise.
The administration of cricket is shockingly inept as the other criteria considered by the administrators is who will pay the most money
Can a nationwide petition of all county members not come up with a plan to express country wide disapproval?
 
Monument View said:
The members have never been consulted and its an untruth to say otherwise.
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This is what has really pissed me off. I've said on here numerous times I fully expect things to change, I expect the Saudi lot to input soon and I have spoke out against Bostock and North numerous times, however for the club to claim members have been "extensively" spoken to is an outright lie and I hope people hold the club to account over this claim, because I'll be expecting the club to produce some "extensive" feedback and data from "members" on this topic. Truth is, I am yet to hear/speak to a member who has had the club approach them on this subject.

As for the statement about mental health, as a qualified mental health first aider, I just don't buy into this 67% are concerned about their mental health because truth be told as Dan pointed out on here, is the schedule really being reduced when you factor in the 16.4? In a nutshell we all know they're just wanting to chase the money, and a lot of these players are happily touring the world during the winter playing cricket...... mental health concerns? I beg to differ and I'd be suggesting a new career.
 
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The chopping and changing of formats during the season doesnt help. Players get signed for short periods before they move on.
No interest in the 16.4, no local team, a format i don't understand and a lot of effort that has resulted in the One Day cup becoming a second XI format pretty much
 
When will they admit the 16.4 has been a failure? It like they're flogging a dead horse.

I don't understand what the Indians see in it either, other than getting their tentacles into the English game. Nothing good will come of their involvement.
 
Nasser Butt-Head said:
When will they admit the 16.4 has been a failure? It like they're flogging a dead horse.

I don't understand what the Indians see in it either, other than getting their tentacles into the English game. Nothing good will come of their involvement.
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The Indian's see nothing in it other than the opportunity to invest in a UK franchise and turn it into T20. If they saw anything in the 16.4, they would trial it in their own country.
 
Parkside said:
Perhaps you should believe what you are told rather than produce a fallacious argument to counter it. The T20 format has remained largely unchanged throughout its existence and provided a financial lifeblood to counties and attracted a new level of supporters. Counties were " coerced" reluctantly to accept the new tournament.
As to the cake element if this was shared equally amongst counties rather than some receiving disproportionate much larger amounts and T20_marketed properly there wouldn't be financial difficulties in cricket.
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“But you didn’t did you?” is not a fallacious response to a “we could have just …” argument. It’s not, I’ll accept, a particularly clever one, but it’s a valid observation.

I’m a huge fan of the Blast. I have little interest in the franchise stuff. But they had 20 years and a head start with the Blast and didn’t make it magically world class. That doesn’t prove it was impossible. But it does rather strongly suggest, for whatever reason, that it was t as easy as everyone makes out.
 
I wasn't commenting on "but you didn't did you" -I wasn't even aware of that comment. It's your comments in #58 which are,in my view, fallacious.
Fleagle said:
“But you didn’t did you?” is not a fallacious response to a “we could have just …” argument. It’s not, I’ll accept, a particularly clever one, but it’s a valid observation.

I’m a huge fan of the Blast. I have little interest in the franchise stuff. But they had 20 years and a head start with the Blast and didn’t make it magically world class. That doesn’t prove it was impossible. But it does rather strongly suggest, for whatever reason, that it was t as easy as everyone makes out.
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Durham agree to "once in a generation" reorganisation of county cricket
is headline in latest Cricketer newsletter.
It's behind a paywall if anyone clever enough to breach the paywall we might find what we've agreed to.
 
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Parkside said:
I wasn't commenting on "but you didn't did you" -I wasn't even aware of that comment. It's your comments in #58 which are,in my view, fallacious.
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I was intending to paraphrase #58. Which was in response to the comment “they’d have been able to get t20 to take off in this country if they’d just spend the hundred money investing in the blast, played the matches in the height of summer with the best players from around the world.”

I’m sick of hearing how it would have been a piece of piss to make the Blast a world class tournament. If it was a piece of piss, why didn’t they?
In fact, I’ll answer my own question. The reason they didn’t develop the Blast in the way suggested, as a season centering showpiece attracting the worlds best, is because of the dead hand of the conservative county members, who until until something worse came along (and we can definitely agree that the hundred is worse) would never been equally disparaging about that Mickey Mouse pyjama cricket and would never allow it to take centre stage. I agree with almost nothing in the Strauss review, but the “tail wagging the dog” comment was spot on. And I speak as a someone who wants championship cricket to survive and thrive because I plan to spend my retirement watching it.
 
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Nasser Butt-Head said:
When will they admit the 16.4 has been a failure? It like they're flogging a dead horse.

I don't understand what the Indians see in it either, other than getting their tentacles into the English game. Nothing good will come of their involvement.
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There must be an ulterior motive somewhere but I can't put my finger on what it is.

In footballing terms the IPL is Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich. Whereas the 16.4 is Boston United, Braintree, York City.
 
Fleagle said:
I was intending to paraphrase #58. Which was in response to the comment “they’d have been able to get t20 to take off in this country if they’d just spend the hundred money investing in the blast, played the matches in the height of summer with the best players from around the world.”

I’m sick of hearing how it would have been a piece of piss to make the Blast a world class tournament. If it was a piece of piss, why didn’t they?
In fact, I’ll answer my own question. The reason they didn’t develop the Blast in the way suggested, as a season centering showpiece attracting the worlds best, is because of the dead hand of the conservative county members, who until until something worse came along (and we can definitely agree that the hundred is worse) would never been equally disparaging about that Mickey Mouse pyjama cricket and would never allow it to take centre stage. I agree with almost nothing in the Strauss review, but the “tail wagging the dog” comment was spot on. And I speak as a someone who wants championship cricket to survive and thrive because I plan to spend my retirement watching it.
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Not so sure that there's a great desire for a world class tournament. T20 would have developed into a successful domestic tournament with the correct scheduling and promotion. Don't think county members have ever had any influence on the scheduling of fixtures - if they had the Hundred wouldn't be held in August.
Well best wishes in your retirement. Hope it's soon because cricket as we knew it will be extinct within 5 years.
 
Monument View said:
Members are clearly being railroaded into agreeing to this new hotchpotch of measures which in truth appears to be another nail in the authenticity of the county championship as a integral part of cricket history and traditions.
If only the thick idiots had spent more energy promoting the virtues and thrills(because) there are many of four day cricket) instead of this slash bash nonsense there would be none of this so called stress and mental health issues
The members have never been consulted and its an untruth to say otherwise.
The administration of cricket is shockingly inept as the other criteria considered by the administrators is who will pay the most money
Can a nationwide petition of all county members not come up with a plan to express country wide disapproval?
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You talk about the thrills of four day cricket and mention the word ‘ many’

Every single team that’s every single team in division one has more drawn matches than wins and when teams push and entertain and look for wins nothing better.

Where as four day cricket is undoubtedly entertaining when teams push for wins.

However when every single team has more draws than wins that’s not a good advert for 4 day cricket and not many thrills imo

IMO teams should take more risks to win more games.

Sorry every single team bar one and they still have not got more wins than draws it’s equal
If teams themselves took more risks and a more positive approach and entertaining outlook , then that would help promote rather than been critic of other people not promoting it
 
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BatEleven said:
I think the proposed CC restructure is good. English cricket needs to align with the rest of the world.
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Why? Our County Championship is the envy of the world, you hear players of all the top nations talking it up, if anything, it’s ‘them’ who should be aligning with us.
Fleagle said:
Would they? I keep getting told this. But even if it was possible, the counties had 20 years to do so. And they could never agree on a competition format that achieved it. It’s the counties that want to have their cake and eat it really. It’s the counties that want both tournaments that cause the fixture congestion.
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Strongly disagree, it’s the ECB who held it back, the counties were in general agreement fairly early on how to make it work but the ECB kept fannying around implementing unworkable changes that inevitably hamstrung it.

Moreover, there was never the keenness from the organisers to get it on free to air telly like there suddenly was for the hundred - which I’m absolutely certain would’ve been blast off (no pun intended) for the competition.
 
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