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Jordan Henderson (signed for Brentford)

We all make mistakes in life, he realised he'd made a mistake and then rectified it. Lots of footballers are still taking money from that disgusting regime, yet Henderson gets picked on as if he's the only one. An easy way to rectify the situation is for the FA to ban ownership by nation states or their proxies.
That’s what I find a bit strange no other player seems to get the same stick. Gerrard was sucking at that tit for a while, Ronaldo has made obscene amount of money doing so. Henderson fucked up following stevieeeee cost himself pretty much everything penny and left. Daft mistake to make etc but he handled it better than most have. f***ing toney went there pretty much in his prime years having done nowt in the premier league and had a fair few teams looking at him.
 

We all make mistakes in life, he realised he'd made a mistake and then rectified it. Lots of footballers are still taking money from that disgusting regime, yet Henderson gets picked on as if he's the only one. An easy way to rectify the situation is for the FA to ban ownership by nation states or their proxies.
Are they taking money from the regime though? Which clubs are owned by the state? (I have no idea which teams are funded by them other than the Mags)
 
I'm pretty sure they did want him to stay but said he would get less game time . From his comments in January saying he loves us but wants to stay at Ajax gives me the impression he won't come and he was back at Wembley just as a fan as he is entitled to do. Things may have changed at Ajax and now we are back in the top league maybe things have aligned for him to come back. He did say there was zero contact last time mind, so I have my suspicions about if this is true or not
I think it was fairly obvious the relationship had broken down.

This is the same club that's pussyfooted about all season long over tying down one of their greatest ever players.

I think it's a delicate relationship at times between long serving, high earning players and their clubs. Ya see it happen a lot. Things get to the point where they start to feel unwanted, and a lot of the time, it's probably because those writing the cheques probably actually don't.

Klopp will have still wanted Henderson around, but he wasn't the one balancing the books. It's interesting Klopp didn't last a lot longer, and after Hendo, he probably saw the Trent and Salah situations on the horizon.
 
You can’t know any of that mate without being in his head. To me it looks like he made a mistake and rectified it. The easiest thing would be to have stayed till the next window pocketed the money. He didn’t cost himself pretty much everything he’d earned in that period also. Whichever it was that made him change his mind he didn’t cost himself so and forfeited millions of pounds for the sake of a few months.
Your first 2 sentences conflict each other as you're saying I don't know when I suggest it's more to do with the shite team and family yet you're saying he made a mistake and rectified it. My point is that is seems some of the 'deflection' is that he made a mistake in his moral decision as if to justify it all.

He had millions already so forfeiting it all wasn't as if he was skinting himself now was it, nor was the fact he got a signing on fee and a contract worth millions the minute he left.

A pay cut is a pay cut.

Liverpool didn't want him.

He undoubtedly wanted to play a higher level of football when he realised the Saudi gig wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

What are the problems here?
It's relative though as a pay cut from mega millions a year to multi millions a year, for someone with millions in the bank, isn't like someone going from £100,000 to £30,000 but with very little in the bank.

Are you really suggesting he couldn't have gone somewhere in 2023 and got millions? He was still contracted at Liverpool until August 2025 for £5m a year even if they didn't want him (though he'd still be appearing as he wouldn't just sit on the bench). If he wanted to play a higher level of football then why even go to Saudi or did you fall for the "Grow the game" line and think he had a sword to his neck with his "Go Saudi World Cup" video?

“So do I go somewhere to try something new, to grow the game that I love in another country, and grow the league into one of the best in the world?”

Or his deflecting comments about Qatar


“We had a meeting with the FA about human rights, about the issues around the stadiums. I think it might have been Amnesty who had sent the images and stuff. And then, half an hour later, I go into a press conference or some media and I’ve commented on that situation. I was like, ‘Well, it was quite shocking and horrendous”’and that was quite hard for us to see. But then when I went to Qatar and we had the experience we had at the World Cup, you get to meet the workers there and it was totally different.”

I don't care about him coming here as he's a class player and would be a benefit to the club but I won't make excuses with mental gymnastics and whataboutery as I can take off the red n white specs now and then.

Here's something to ponder on, if he was going to the mags would people be saying the same things about his mistake and sacrificing millions? 🤔 Again I think we all know the answer to that one 🤣
 
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I'm pretty sure they did want him to stay but said he would get less game time . From his comments in January saying he loves us but wants to stay at Ajax gives me the impression he won't come and he was back at Wembley just as a fan as he is entitled to do. Things may have changed at Ajax and now we are back in the top league maybe things have aligned for him to come back. He did say there was zero contact last time mind, so I have my suspicions about if this is true or not
Ajax have changed manager and he's moving into the final year of his contract. He's at the stick or twist stage regarding the last move of an amazing career.

I trust our club to make the correct decision.




And sign him up.
 
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Are they taking money from the regime though? Which clubs are owned by the state? (I have no idea which teams are funded by them other than the Mags)
That's what the FA is for, to investigate fit and proper persons to own football clubs. The rules are already in place. Fot instance Real Madrid are reputedly a subsidiary of the Spanish government.
 
Your first 2 sentences conflict each other as you're saying I don't know when I suggest it's more to do with the shite team and family yet you're saying he made a mistake and rectified it. My point is that is seems some of the 'deflection' is that he made a mistake in his moral decision as if to justify it all.

He had millions already so forfeiting it all wasn't as if he was skinting himself now was it, nor was the fact he got a signing on fee and a contract worth millions the minute he left.


It's relative though as a pay cut from mega millions a year to multi millions a year, for someone with millions in the bank, isn't like someone going from £100,000 to £30,000 but with very little in the bank.

Are you really suggesting he couldn't have gone somewhere in 2023 and got millions? He was still contracted at Liverpool until August 2025 for £5m a year even if they didn't want him (though he'd still be appearing as he wouldn't just sit on the bench). If he wanted to play a higher level of football then why even go to Saudi or did you fall for the "Grow the game" line and think he had a sword to his neck with his "Go Saudi World Cup" video?

“So do I go somewhere to try something new, to grow the game that I love in another country, and grow the league into one of the best in the world?”

Or his deflecting comments about Qatar


“We had a meeting with the FA about human rights, about the issues around the stadiums. I think it might have been Amnesty who had sent the images and stuff. And then, half an hour later, I go into a press conference or some media and I’ve commented on that situation. I was like, ‘Well, it was quite shocking and horrendous”’and that was quite hard for us to see. But then when I went to Qatar and we had the experience we had at the World Cup, you get to meet the workers there and it was totally different.”

I don't care about him coming here as he's a class player and would be a benefit to the club but I won't make excuses with mental gymnastics and whataboutery as I can take off the red n white specs now and then.

Here's something to ponder on, if he was going to the mags would people be saying the same things about his mistake and sacrificing millions? 🤔 Again I think we all know the answer to that one 🤣
I don't care.

A pay cut is a pay cut. D'ya want him to work for free?

I'm not doing any gymnastics. He made a mistake going there. It's done. He left. Move on.

IF he comes here, we're signing a footballer, not a human rights abuser. There is no hypocrisy.


IF as per your hypothesis he were to go to the scum, he'd be back in the Saudi's pockets and playing for the scum. That would be a completely different scenario.
 
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Interesting thread from Ajax fans re Hendersons impact there…
Not surprised to be honest. He's a class player, probably one of the most tactically astute this country has ever produced, and a clear leader on the pitch.



Fuck it Kyril lad, bring him home.
 
I don't care.

A pay cut is a pay cut. D'ya want him to work for free?

I'm not doing any gymnastics. He made a mistake going there. It's done. He left. Move on.

IF he comes here, we're signing a footballer, not a human rights abuser. There is no hypocrisy.


IF as per your hypothesis he were to go to the scum, he'd be back in the Saudi's pockets and playing for the scum. That would be a completely different scenario.
A pay cut is a pay cut and he was working for free? He's already got millions in the bank, was there a few months and he went into a job with a £1.2m handshake and £3.5m a year (and no doubt still got some benefits being in Saudi). It's nowt like a pay cut to the average working person 🤣

It's as if you're suggesting he's made a life changing decision that's put his family and home at risk, when the reality is he's just not as rich as he could have been.

How is it a different scenario going to the mags if he's just going there as they're the highest offer at £100k a week?

What if he went to another PL club for £60k a week and snubbed SAFC offering £40k a week, would your opinion of his mistake change then?
 
A pay cut is a pay cut and he was working for free? He's already got millions in the bank, was there a few months and he went into a job with a £1.2m handshake and £3.5m a year (and no doubt still got some benefits being in Saudi). It's nowt like a pay cut to the average working person 🤣

It's as if you're suggesting he's made a life changing decision that's put his family and home at risk, when the reality is he's just not as rich as he could have been.

How is it a different scenario going to the mags if he's just going there as they're the highest offer at £100k a week?

What if he went to another PL club for £60k a week and snubbed SAFC offering £40k a week, would your opinion of his mistake change then?
Can you read???

I'm not suggesting a thing you gonk.


Now you're just being deliberately thick.

He can go where he wants, it's no real skin off our noses.
 
Can you read???

I'm not suggesting a thing you gonk.


Now you're just being deliberately thick.

He can go where he wants, it's no real skin off our noses.
Personal insults now and no I'm not being deliberately thick at all.

You said " A pay cut is a pay cut" and "Do you want him to work for free" as if it's some huge sacrifice and all he's done is make a mistake. Aye he took a pay cut but still went to Ajax for £3.5m a year and his £1.2m signing on fee would more than cover his bills after working for free for a few months 🤣

This is just the reverse of the "Who wouldn't go to work in Saudi if offered big money" deflection that was hoyed about in those older Henderson threads as if it's just Joe Bloggs buggering off to Saudi.
 
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Personal insults now and no I'm not being deliberately thick at all.

You said " A pay cut is a pay cut" and "Do you want him to work for free" as if it's some huge sacrifice and all he's done is make a mistake. Aye he took a pay cut but still went to Ajax for £3.5m a year and his £1.2m signing on fee would more than cover his bills after working for free for a few months 🤣

This is just the reverse of the "Who wouldn't go to work in Saudi if offered big money" deflection that was hoyed about in those older Henderson threads as if it's just Joe Bloggs buggering off to Saudi.

Well it's either than or ya just refusing to acknowledge what I've said and you're making things up.

I'm not interested in the sums. He's made a lot of money from football, we all know he's well off irrespective of his next or last contract. He took a pay cut going to Ajax. That's all there is to it. Are you upset it wasn't a bigger pay cut? Again, I'll ask, did you expect him to play for free?

If you can't see the difference between him coming here or going to the mags, then you're thick. If however you're just refusing to acknowledge the difference, then you are being deliberately thick, which let's face it, is much worse. And I find it hard to believe anybody is actually that thick. I'm not here to insult you, but I can't help it if somebody wants to get into a debate and be so unreasonable at the same time. I'm not calling you thick.
 
Well it's either than or ya just refusing to acknowledge what I've said and you're making things up.

I'm not interested in the sums. He's made a lot of money from football, we all know he's well off irrespective of his next or last contract. He took a pay cut going to Ajax. That's all there is to it. Are you upset it wasn't a bigger pay cut? Again, I'll ask, did you expect him to play for free?

If you can't see the difference between him coming here or going to the mags, then you're thick. If however you're just refusing to acknowledge the difference, then you are being deliberately thick, which let's face it, is much worse. And I find it hard to believe anybody is actually that thick. I'm not here to insult you, but I can't help it if somebody wants to get into a debate and be so unreasonable at the same time. I'm not calling you thick.
He played for free but the £1.2m signing on fee isn't exactly the same as a couple of grand welcome and a £50k company car now is it?

I know there's a difference but it's all relative and going from mega millions to multi millions isn't in any way like someone going from £100k to £30k like I said before. Nor is working for free when you've millions in the bank and getting a £1.2m signing on fee and can get a job within a week. That compared to someone on a more realistic working man's wage suddenly working for nowt and not having those luxuries of money in the bank, signing on fee or just walking into another job isn't the same at all.

This is why I mentioned the Joe Bloggs thing as it's the same type of comment about people going to Saudi for the extra money but they weren't already multi millionaires who could just sit on their arse for the rest of their lives, or walk into another job still paying them millions a year.

And no I'm not thick, just pointing out that fans can have bias towards something depending on how it relates to their team and how it would change if it wasn't Sunderland involved.

I'd have him here but I wouldn't go to the lengths to deflect like some are doing to dismiss it, no doubt some that probably said a lot worse about him when he went there. That's me done with the thread anyway as it's just pointless waffle and I hope whatever we do it's for the benefit of the club but I won't be saying "What about" or trying to deflect any criticism with what I've seen in the likes of yours and similar comments.
 
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He played for free but the £1.2m signing on fee isn't exactly the same as a couple of grand welcome and a £50k company car now is it?

I know there's a difference but it's all relative and going from mega millions to multi millions isn't in any way like someone going from £100k to £30k like I said before. Nor is working for free when you've millions in the bank and getting a £1.2m signing on fee and can get a job within a week. That compared to someone on a more realistic working man's wage suddenly working for nowt and not having those luxuries of money in the bank, signing on fee or just walking into another job isn't the same at all.

This is why I mentioned the Joe Bloggs thing as it's the same type of comment about people going to Saudi for the extra money but they weren't already multi millionaires who could just sit on their arse for the rest of their lives, or walk into another job still paying them millions a year.

And no I'm not thick, just pointing out that fans can have bias towards something depending on how it relates to their team and how it would change if it wasn't Sunderland involved.

I'd have him here but I wouldn't go to the lengths to deflect like some are doing to dismiss it, no doubt some that probably said a lot worse about him when he went there. That's me done with the thread anyway as it's just pointless waffle and I hope whatever we do it's for the benefit of the club but I won't be saying "What about" or trying to deflect any criticism with what I've seen in the likes of yours and similar comments.
Your last few posts are, aye.


There's no whataboutery. On the one hand you have a player we might employ. On the other ya have a state owned club with sports washing in full swing.
 
Your last few posts are, aye.


There's no whataboutery. On the one hand you have a player we might employ. On the other ya have a state owned club with sports washing in full swing.
Its a mental comparison. Newcastle fans celebrated, even petitioned, to be owned by them, they've twice cheered a bloke onto the pitch who was involved in the sanctioning of the murder of a journalist.
We're potentially signing a bloke who worked in Saudi
 
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