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Interesting stuff from Kieran Maguire….


Ongo Baglogian said:
Why is our matchday revenue smaller than clubs with smaller grounds than ourselves? It’s only 5 million more than Bournemouth whose stadium is tiny?

Cheap tickets and poor corporate options?
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Average season ticket around £450-£500 is cheap for premier league, most renewals were at championship prices so that could be part of the reason.
 
Football is bloody stupid, imagine going to your accountant and asking them to make sure you only lose 30million this year
 
Roker Scoreboard said:
So without selling any players, how much could we spend without impacting on PSR?
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Won't matter because the club won't be interested in being near the limit I'm guessing.
bowers2 said:
A lot less that our excited fans think. We will be nowhere near the limit. Historically we haven’t pushed the boat out.
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This. Let's be honest, even though we are getting big money for the PL, our wage bill now will have jumped up with clauses, never mind once the renewals kick in.

Signing PL level players comes with huge wages and we could easily end up losing £20/30m operating like we did under Short. Most clubs lose money in the PL. This regime simply won't do that imo.

We won't spend close to £100m imo.
 
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Mowgli said:
Won't matter because the club won't be interested in being near the limit I'm guessing.

This. Let's be honest, even though we are getting big money for the PL, our wage bill now will have jumped up with clauses, never mind once the renewals kick in.

Signing PL level players comes with huge wages and we could easily end up losing £20/30m operating like we did under Short. This regime simply won't do that imo.

We won't spend close to £100m imo.
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Depends if the limit is around £60m as we'd need to spend more than that to be competitive
 
Ongo Baglogian said:
Why is our matchday revenue smaller than clubs with smaller grounds than ourselves? It’s only 5 million more than Bournemouth whose stadium is tiny?

Cheap tickets and poor corporate options?
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Cheaper tickets overall and having concessions around 90 odd percent of the ground probably being the main factor. I've posted a few times about this as we will have more U22s going to games than most clubs due to the generous pricing structure and large capacity. The positive of this is that the club get kids hooked at a young age so they will go even when times are shite. Some clubs won't have this as they're concession areas are limited to 1 stand or even area so less families will be able to afford to pay full price elsewhere or there isn't enough tickets.

Last time in the PL we were the cheapest average per fan ticket cost based on rough figures. This is one of a few posts that explains why the likes of Leeds can get £30m in gate receipts from less fans. Other clubs generate far more revenue but that's because they're limited in capacity so they just increase prices and let the more affluent fans get the tickets such as Southampton, Brighton, Fulham and even Brentford as you can see in the table in this link below.

Elland road upgrade

Looks good tbf, looks little bit lop sided but not to the ridiculous levels of the st james
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We've just dropped the U16 band to U14 and the East & West stands are now considerably higher in those bands. I pointed this out in March when the prices were released and it's a sign of what's to come if we do stay in the Premier League.

Season Card and Ticket dates for renewal 2025/26 ?

thought they might have frozen the kids prices. mine and 2 kids have gone up from £530 to £620 in total , canny old % increase I don’t understand why they have u14 then u18, it should be u16 tickets as that’s school kids then maybe a slight discount for 16-18 fir college kids Yeah I think...
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The mags are already feeling the pinch as tickets have went up, concession areas are small but demand still exceeds supply so they created the membership. This has an effect on their atmosphere as you see many fans complaining about it as it's different people in seats every week. They will also restrict the amount of season tickets for sale (1,000s have just ended that 10 year deal) and do the ticket lottery instead for 1,000s of seats given it generates more revenue. Leeds already do this as it's been said on here by Leeds fans.

That's the greed in football and I do hope we don't go down that road and just milk the fans for all they can. Football isn't all about winning the Premier League as for some it's a social gathering with family and friends that has been passed down through generations. For those who want to be at the top you may well pay the price of not being able to afford to go as some other richer glory seeker will sit in your seat instead and that's what most clubs are bothered about these days.
 
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Mowgli said:
Won't matter because the club won't be interested in being near the limit I'm guessing.

This. Let's be honest, even though we are getting big money for the PL, our wage bill now will have jumped up with clauses, never mind once the renewals kick in.

Signing PL level players comes with huge wages and we could easily end up losing £20/30m operating like we did under Short. Most clubs lose money in the PL. This regime simply won't do that imo.

We won't spend close to £100m imo.
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I don’t think we will go stupid but still think there will be a pretty significant shift to what we have seen so far.
 
Jokei84 said:
I don’t think we will go stupid but still think there will be a pretty significant shift to what we have seen so far.
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I agree. I just think you still see PL clubs losing loads of money, like tens of millions even with the tv money. Can't see us being one of them. We will still want to be as sustainable as possible and keep owner cash input down.
 
Gav33 said:
I think Grumpy said it was 60 million on another thread.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Rigg or one of the other academy players go to enable us to spend more.
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I think the rolling 3 year loss allowable going into next year is £61m (£13m+£13m+£35). We could spend over 100m and still make a profit because of the big increase in revenue (minimum £130m). So whilst we could spend well over 100m we would still be within allowable limits for PSR. Still think we will be financially sensible though and not blow the lot asap.
 
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