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England Players County Form

MustardAndOnions said:
We consistently pick spinners too young in this country, trying to reinvent the wheel

Is kellaway the one who bowl with both arms or someone else
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The problem England have is that there are a bunch of young spinners 21 and under, then the likes of Leach/Dawson who are in their mid 30s with no one in-between. So right now it's either pick a kid or go with one of the experienced spinners who may have a year or two tops.

Yeah Kellaway is the one who bowls left and right arm off-spin
 

SuperSub said:
The problem England have is that there are a bunch of young spinners 21 and under, then the likes of Leach/Dawson who are in their mid 30s with no one in-between. So right now it's either pick a kid or go with one of the experienced spinners who may have a year or two tops.

Yeah Kellaway is the one who bowls left and right arm off-spin
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Yeah fair point

I suspect Leach will go to Australia as backup.

A lot of fell away from a few years ago like Bess and Crane.

I think people need to reserve criticism of England on this a bit regarding the spinner for the reason you pointed out, no perfect answer, Leach is the best spinner for me but you do wonder how he would go, blind faith in Bashir is a big ask tho,
 
SuperSub said:
An updated list of wickets from spinners so far in the CC.

Leach 19 wickets @ 28.17
Dawson 11 wickets @ 31.27
Kellaway 9 wickets @28.33
F Ahmed 9 wickets @31.77
Tazeem Ali 8 wickets @35.75
Lawrence 8 wickets @48.62
Hartley 7 wickets @55.85
Carson 6 wickets @60.66
M Parkinson 5 wickets @28.40
Bess 5 wickets @42.60
R Ahmed 2 wickets @56
Bashir 2 wickets @152

With 3 of the top 5 being 21yo and younger that shows there is talent out there. We know England will continue to pick Bashir for the next 12 months but there are other spinners actually playing and taking wickets who will be putting pressure on him.
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Didn't know of Kellaway

The fact that Bashir isn't even the best spinner at Glamorgan. Yet he's been backed to the hilt for England, by McCullum/Stokes is genuinely mental.
 
mackembhoy said:
Didn't know of Kellaway

The fact that Bashir isn't even the best spinner at Glamorgan. Yet he's been backed to the hilt for England, by McCullum/Stokes is genuinely mental.
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He took nearly 50 wickets last year for England mind

People get too obsessed with these county stats for existing England players

Players in the England team already should be dropped or retained for their England form, not what they do when go back to their county
By the way Telegraph saying Dawson going to be in both white ball squads and given a run alongside Rashid
 
MustardAndOnions said:
He took nearly 50 wickets last year for England mind

People get too obsessed with these county stats for existing England players

Players in the England team already should be dropped or retained for their England form, not what they do when go back to their county
By the way Telegraph saying Dawson going to be in both white ball squads and given a run alongside Rashid
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Bashir record has only gone backwards though even for England. He's continued on his bad form for the Lions and now Glamorgan.

So after a cracking start he's reverted to what you could argue is more his level. Fingers crossed for the lad he refinds what we saw in India and the second Windies test.

MatInnsOversMdnsRunsWktsBBIBBMAveEconSR510
Next 10 Tests1018319.1171252254/665/15150.083.9276.600
First 5 Tests57205.220716245/418/19829.833.4851.330
 
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mackembhoy said:
Bashir record has only gone backwards though even for England. He's continued on his bad form for the Lions and now Glamorgan.

So after a cracking start he's reverted to what you could argue is more his level. Fingers crossed for the lad he refinds what we saw in India and the second Windies test.

MatInnsOversMdnsRunsWktsBBIBBMAveEconSR510
Next 10 Tests1018319.1171252254/665/15150.083.9276.600
First 5 Tests57205.220716245/418/19829.833.4851.330
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I know aye I’m not talking about him specifically really if you have watched him for England and think he’s been shite then aye fair play

I just think calling him for to be dropped on CC just isnt right

Like if Duckett played 6 CC games and averaged 16 we wouldn’t want him dropped would we
 
MustardAndOnions said:
I know aye I’m not talking about him specifically really if you have watched him for England and think he’s been shite then aye fair play

I just think calling him for to be dropped on CC just isnt right

Like if Duckett played 6 CC games and averaged 16 we wouldn’t want him dropped would we
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Yeah fair I don't think he should be dropped I just hope they aren't throwing in all their chips on him. When his form is going the other way.

They need need a plan B as we still have to beat India and can't just think well we want Bash for the Ashes, so just keep playing him in the hope he does well.

Pick your best XI should always be the way in Cricket and if Bash isn't performing get someone else in
 
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MustardAndOnions said:
I know aye I’m not talking about him specifically really if you have watched him for England and think he’s been shite then aye fair play

I just think calling him for to be dropped on CC just isnt right

Like if Duckett played 6 CC games and averaged 16 we wouldn’t want him dropped would we
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The difference is that Duckett has a strong first class and test record. People can see that bad form or whatever can be stripped out

The issue with the 2 lucky ones is that they’ve never really consistently delivered in either. If Crawley was averaging 40 with the bat in tests, his county form would be a non issue completely.
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
The difference is that Duckett has a strong first class and test record. People can see that bad form or whatever can be stripped out

The issue with the 2 lucky ones is that they’ve never really consistently delivered in either. If Crawley was averaging 40 with the bat in tests, his county form would be a non issue completely.
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Not gettint into Crawley again but barely any openers in the world have averaged over 40 lately there was a good pod on Wisden on it
mackembhoy said:
Yeah fair I don't think he should be dropped I just hope they aren't throwing in all their chips on him. When his form is going the other way.

They need need a plan B as we still have to beat India and can't just think well we want Bash for the Ashes, so just keep playing him in the hope he does well.

Pick your best XI should always be the way in Cricket and if Bash isn't performing get someone else in
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I agree with all of what you say aye was just trying to make a wider point
 
Its the bowlers that I am most concerned about looking to the winter. Its a compete mismatch. They will have the proven seamers who are all top class including Boland who is perfect for over there. We just have a right mess to choose from. Our best bowlers either just don't really have the attributes to do well over there imo Pottsy, Atkinson, Woakes, Cook or have attributes but have huge question marks against them - Archer, Wood, Robinson, Tongue, Carse (most optimistic about him tbh) or young quicks like Baker etc.

Don't get me wrong i'm not ruling out any of these bowling well over there and surprising me but its hard to be too positive about their chances.
 
rentaghost said:
Its the bowlers that I am most concerned about looking to the winter. Its a compete mismatch. They will have the proven seamers who are all top class including Boland who is perfect for over there. We just have a right mess to choose from. Our best bowlers either just don't really have the attributes to do well over there imo Pottsy, Atkinson, Woakes, Cook or have attributes but have huge question marks against them - Archer, Wood, Robinson, Tongue, Carse (most optimistic about him tbh) or young quicks like Baker etc.

Don't get me wrong i'm not ruling out any of these bowling well over there and surprising me but its hard to be too positive about their chances.
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Spot on this

Batting gets so much attention for some reason but it’s been great under McCullum and stokes, I never get why it gets so much stick

You’re right though, the only upside is IF, and it’s a big if, the right bowlers stay fit it could be good

Wood remains huge I reckon we will get some out of him, and Tongue i at most excited about

Archer would be a bonus

Their attack is an all time great attack but I’d remind people how ordinary at times we made them look in the last ashes. Watch that Crawley big 100 he was absolutely all over Cummins
mackembhoy said:
Didn't know of Kellaway

The fact that Bashir isn't even the best spinner at Glamorgan. Yet he's been backed to the hilt for England, by McCullum/Stokes is genuinely mental.
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MustardAndOnions said:
Spot on this

Batting gets so much attention for some reason but it’s been great under McCullum and stokes, I never get why it gets so much stick

You’re right though, the only upside is IF, and it’s a big if, the right bowlers stay fit it could be good

Wood remains huge I reckon we will get some out of him, and Tongue i at most excited about

Archer would be a bonus

Their attack is an all time great attack but I’d remind people how ordinary at times we made them look in the last ashes. Watch that Crawley big 100 he was absolutely all over Cummins


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See he bats at 6 for Glamorgan too.

More young spinning talent the better! Interesting mix as well with Welsh, Irish and then many lads of Asian descent vying for the spot.
 
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Very good write up on Rew

I was aware he hadn't performed very well for the Lions. But didn't realise it was a bad as 16.75 from 8 matches!

Not that Lions performances necessarily mean England honours. But it's another string to someones bow if they excel in them.

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mackembhoy said:
Very good write up on Rew

I was aware he hadn't performed very well for the Lions. But didn't realise it was a bad as 16.75 from 8 matches!

Not that Lions performances necessarily mean England honours. But it's another string to someones bow if they excel in them.

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Just posted on another thread, surprised he has been called up

struggled for Lions and bats 6 in cc

Not to say he is clearly a great talent but needs to do more do show he has specific attributes for test cricket
 
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