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RLB at Lorient

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SKP130 said:
Yeh I suppose he goes all Wolf of Wall Street in the dressing room.
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No idea but given the first half of the season something must have been working for him and the motivation of the team. There's also other coaches in the set up, Reid/Saxton used to play it good cop/bad cop, it won't be 100% RLB with no other input.

Essentially, what the fuck has happened :lol:
 

Gut feeling is he's an excellent coach who can get his ideas across to players very quickly. We were incredibly well drilled at the start of the season - the way we pressed on triggers and our build up play was straight from the training ground. We even scored almost identical set pieces two weeks in a row then tried to repeat the same routine over and over since (the outswinger to the back post for Cirkin to head back across goal).

But you need more than just that over a 46 game season. Burnley are ridiculously boring to watch and similarly we'll drilled but the difference is their will and desire to get back into position and defend, Parker deserves credit for unveiling that mentality in them. I just don't see much else from Le Bris. I don't think it's over the top to say his use of substitutions and squad and game management is as bad as I've seen from any Sunderland manager. I was tempted to say the worst but the run from Parkinson pre-Covid where he played the same team every game then threw 5 strikers on whenever we were chasing a game and played 3-2-5 with no midfield was equally as bad.

It's been said many times that he doesn't give direct criticism or instruction, he prefers players to figure the game out themselves and will pause the tape at a mistake but then hand over to the players to work out what went wrong. He's 49, didn't have much of a playing career and only has 3 years management experience. He's worked as a youth coach most of his career. We hired him because of his record of developing young players and his methods sound fantastic for player development. I'm not sure they are really what's needed for a first team head coach with aspirations of promotion though.

I also think he was scarred by us conceding late goals away to Plymouth and Watford early on. We became very conservative after that.

I'm not saying sack him. But I kind of think this probably isn't going to work long term and he'll be gone by November whatever happens. Even if we go up we'll probably lose most weeks and there'll be a temptation to change it.
 
Definitely Maybe said:
Gut feeling is he's an excellent coach who can get his ideas across to players very quickly. We were incredibly well drilled at the start of the season - the way we pressed on triggers and our build up play was straight from the training ground. We even scored almost identical set pieces two weeks in a row then tried to repeat the same routine over and over since (the outswinger to the back post for Cirkin to head back across goal).

But you need more than just that over a 46 game season. Burnley are ridiculously boring to watch and similarly we'll drilled but the difference is their will and desire to get back into position and defend, Parker deserves credit for unveiling that mentality in them. I just don't see much else from Le Bris. I don't think it's over the top to say his use of substitutions and squad and game management is as bad as I've seen from any Sunderland manager. I was tempted to say the worst but the run from Parkinson pre-Covid where he played the same team every game then threw 5 strikers on whenever we were chasing a game and played 3-2-5 with no midfield was equally as bad.

It's been said many times that he doesn't give direct criticism or instruction, he prefers players to figure the game out themselves and will pause the tape at a mistake but then hand over to the players to work out what went wrong. He's 49, didn't have much of a playing career and only has 3 years management experience. He's worked as a youth coach most of his career. We hired him because of his record of developing young players and his methods sound fantastic for player development. I'm not sure they are really what's needed for a first team head coach with aspirations of promotion though.

I also think he was scarred by us conceding late goals away to Plymouth and Watford early on. We became very conservative after that.

I'm not saying sack him. But I kind of think this probably isn't going to work long term and he'll be gone by November whatever happens. Even if we go up we'll probably lose most weeks and there'll be a temptation to change it.
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No they are not. They are efficient to the nth degree and have scored more goals than everybody else except Leeds and Norwich. What is boring is watching Patto to Luke to Mepham to Luke to Mepham to Patto to Luke to Mepham to Luke to Patto then boot it up front to their centre half.
 
wschmidt said:
In his first 10 games he had 8 wins that had Lorient in the Champions League. After that they only won 3 in the next 4 months. The following season they were relegated.

Dont want to contribute to the negativity but there seems to be a pattern developing in his albeit short career - start unbelievably strong and subvert all expectations, then completely fall away
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I’d bin him at the end of the season whatever the outcome.
 
SuperT2 said:
No they are not. They are efficient to the nth degree and have scored more goals than everybody else except Leeds and Norwich. What is boring is watching Patto to Luke to Mepham to Luke to Mepham to Patto to Luke to Mepham to Luke to Patto then boot it up front to their centre half.
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Fair point. But they've also drawn the 4th most games in the league including 11 0-0s. But I agree about the O'Nien to Mepham thing.
 
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