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England Players County Form

MustardAndOnions said:
He faded very badly no doubt

They basically think he will do the best in Oz

Got to be honest Dawson and leach will not take wickets in Australia and probs not hold an end up

I know it’s not the only series mind we do have India first!
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I think Leach is the safest option, if Bashir continues his current form he'll be shot to bits come the first Ashes test and he's still really young.
 

MustardAndOnions said:
I guess they know leach is ready to go if needed.

I don’t think you should pick off county states myself, recent history proved that but his numbers are remarkable
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I think they are important to a degree, but it's the job of the setup to identify players who can perform at the top level and sometimes stats can be disregarded. Fletcher was brilliant at that, Vaughan, Tres, Colly, Simon Jones - moderate county records but brilliant international records.

What the stats should do is bring someone into the conversation, good or bad.

With Bashir, there's a wider picture, he's been farmed out on loan two seasons in a row and this season he's struggled on loan in division two. He might well come good later in the summer but as it stands, he's a huge risk against a strong test side.
 
The Breen Machine said:
I think they are important to a degree, but it's the job of the setup to identify players who can perform at the top level and sometimes stats can be disregarded. Fletcher was brilliant at that, Vaughan, Tres, Colly, Simon Jones - moderate county records but brilliant international records.

What the stats should do is bring someone into the conversation, good or bad.

With Bashir, there's a wider picture, he's been farmed out on loan two seasons in a row and this season he's struggled on loan in division two. He might well come good later in the summer but as it stands, he's a huge risk against a strong test side.
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Not just them, more recently too
I don’t wanna have a go at people on this board

But I’ve been reading stuff on here a long long time and the amount of time I hear people saying Joe blogs “has to play” just because he’s scored a few 100s or took a few wickets.

It’s how we ended up with Sibley and burns opening! I mean Christ man what was all that about
Carse is the perfect example of why selection has been so good

Nobody on this board would have picked him but he is ready made test bowler
 
MustardAndOnions said:
Not just them, more recently too
I don’t wanna have a go at people on this board

But I’ve been reading stuff on here a long long time and the amount of time I hear people saying Joe blogs “has to play” just because he’s scored a few 100s or took a few wickets.

It’s how we ended up with Sibley and burns opening! I mean Christ man what was all that about
Carse is the perfect example of why selection has been so good

Nobody on this board would have picked him but he is ready made test bowler
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At the time I think you can understand why they were picked, but times change, and they had a good crack and were found wanting. No sense in going back to Burns in particular, Sibley does seem to have expanded his game a bit but he'd be down the pecking order for me still.
 
MustardAndOnions said:
Not just them, more recently too
I don’t wanna have a go at people on this board

But I’ve been reading stuff on here a long long time and the amount of time I hear people saying Joe blogs “has to play” just because he’s scored a few 100s or took a few wickets.

It’s how we ended up with Sibley and burns opening! I mean Christ man what was all that about
Carse is the perfect example of why selection has been so good

Nobody on this board would have picked him but he is ready made test bowler
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There is absolutely something about picking based on headroom.

Crawley - I absolutely absolutely see it. When he looks good he looks a million bucks. I get why they went there. But at some point it’s weight of runs, I can’t think of a really successful test player that had a first class record of 30.

I’d actually consider him in the white ball stuff, he’d be great in a power play when the ball doesn’t move as much
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
There is absolutely something about picking based on headroom.

Crawley - I absolutely absolutely see it. When he looks good he looks a million bucks. I get why they went there. But at some point it’s weight of runs, I can’t think of a really successful test player that had a first class record of 30.

I’d actually consider him in the white ball stuff, he’d be great in a power play when the ball doesn’t move as much
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Agree with all of this. I've said for a while I think he'd be a great 50 over opener.

His test record and how inconsistent he is cannot be ignored any longer IMO.
 
SuperSub said:
Small sample size but the current stats for English spinners in the CC so far are;

Leach 10 wickets @32.50
Dawson 6 wickets @28
Carson 5 wickets @52
Bess 5 wickets @42.60
Critchley 5 wickets @40.20
Hartley 5 wickets @48.40
F Ahmed 4 wickets @52
Bashir 2 wickets @152
R Ahmed 1 wicket @111

You also have Dan Lawrence with 6 wickets @60 and the 18yo Tazeem Ali at Warks with 8 wickets @35.
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Nice list that thanks. We'll keep an eye on Jafer Chohan too, the 22yr old Yorkshire legspinner who's done well in Blast.
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
There is absolutely something about picking based on headroom.

Crawley - I absolutely absolutely see it. When he looks good he looks a million bucks. I get why they went there. But at some point it’s weight of runs, I can’t think of a really successful test player that had a first class record of 30.

I’d actually consider him in the white ball stuff, he’d be great in a power play when the ball doesn’t move as much
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I want him opening in the ashes

The Aussies would love it if he wasn’t

Don’t care about cricket before that

I just can’t get my head round people picking Sibley on here as be scored some county runs in April
 
MustardAndOnions said:
I want him opening in the ashes

The Aussies would love it if he wasn’t

Don’t care about cricket before that

I just can’t get my head round people picking Sibley on here as be scored some county runs in April
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I think you’re overestimating the Aussie opinion of him mate. He’s got a decent record against them, but let’s not overplay it. Ramprakash also averaged north of 40 against them.

I wouldn’t pick Sibley either of course.
 
The Breen Machine said:
At the time I think you can understand why they were picked, but times change, and they had a good crack and were found wanting. No sense in going back to Burns in particular, Sibley does seem to have expanded his game a bit but he'd be down the pecking order for me still.
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Dunna just fast bouncy pitches in Oz with 3 85mph bowlers. It’s a different sport to county cricket im afraid

I love CC more than anything but I treat at it’s own comp with it’s own stories

Rushy would have played 60 tests going off some
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
I think you’re overestimating the Aussie opinion of him mate. He’s got a decent record against them, but let’s not overplay it. Ramprakash also averaged north of 40 against them.

I wouldn’t pick Sibley either of course.
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Im just going by what theyve said like,

It also works with Duckett
 
Turner the Cat said:
Leach continues to be the standout spinner so far in the CC.

3 - 35 and 3 - 73 against Essex. Still looks like the best we've got atm.
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Not sure it’s that straightforward like in this particular game as the wicket obviously very much suiting spin, as Harmer not only got 4 wickets in Somerset’s innings he actually opened the bowling!

Think Leach is probably best of a average bunch but don’t think as stated above from this game you can you just go of the bare stats
 
SuperSub said:
Bashir back from his loan at Glamorgan and can't get into the Somerset XI, currently on 12th man duties.
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Bizarre that England have picked him or not told Somerset to play him
Turner the Cat said:
Leach continues to be the standout spinner so far in the CC.

3 - 35 and 3 - 73 against Essex. Still looks like the best we've got atm.
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Think Leach has to resign himself to a 2nd spinner role for England, there's just something this team wanted that he can't provide.
 
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Parkside said:
He probably is but he was absolute gun fodder last time in Australia.Rightly or wrongly the focus is on 2025-26 Ashes. Tazeem Ali is reckoned to be the next pick. Very promising against Durham.
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Yeah he was last time we went to Australia they destroyed him in one of the early test matches.

Personally I would not pick Leach as don’t really rate him, problem is don’t really rate any spinners in this country which lies the problem.

Depending on the wickets and conditions I would seriously consider picking 4 seamers and using Root and Bethell assuming he plays as spin options.

Such is the lack of depth in the spin department
 
Voice of fair play said:
Not sure it’s that straightforward like in this particular game as the wicket obviously very much suiting spin, as Harmer not only got 4 wickets in Somerset’s innings he actually opened the bowling!

Think Leach is probably best of a average bunch but don’t think as stated above from this game you can you just go of the bare stats
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Harmer is South African

Who will do the best job for England, literally all the matters
Voice of fair play said:
Yeah he was last time we went to Australia they destroyed him in one of the early test matches.

Personally I would not pick Leach as don’t really rate him, problem is don’t really rate any spinners in this country which lies the problem.

Depending on the wickets and conditions I would seriously consider picking 4 seamers and using Root and Bethell assuming he plays as spin options.

Such is the lack of depth in the spin department
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He didn’t play for England the year before that snd was thrown in with no practice games due to covid

2019 ashes he bowled well

Sorry like but you just twist the truth and post some ridiculous stuff regarding him

The nonsense you posted the other week about him now bowling. Utter nonsense
 
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