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chunkyshanhawk53 said:
Yeah. But we could have Mark Butcher in there too.

I think that saying Ramps is useless is wrong btw. He was a super player with some mental issues at the very very top level, but in a team that was all over the place.

100 100s isn’t useless,
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That’s my point though, unbelievable player, the fact he couldn’t even remotely convert that talent at test level says a lot. Im talking about just like averaging 35

I think you misunderstood great batsman but at county level
 

Farhan Ahmed I see with 5 for the match against Sussex

9 at 31.77 this season. Only Leach with 11 at 33.72 has more wickets than him in either division for a spinner(albeit Harmer/Dawon have played one less but then they are twice his age!!!)

He's got 34 at 26.00 in his FC career so far, can't help but be excited by this kid! We perhaps picked the last 4 spinners too soon but he's performing better than all the others were before they got picked.
 
SuperSub said:
Bashir back from his loan at Glamorgan and can't get into the Somerset XI, currently on 12th man duties.
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2nd season in a row he's been farmed out on loan as he can't get into the Somerset XI. He's got some game time at Glamorgan at least but his record is poor. On the plus side, he has a better test than FC record!
 
Classic94 said:
I just don’t see it with Bashir. Seems miles off the level right now, despite his apparent potential. Leach is currently our ‘best’ spinner but pretty uninspiring at international level. Farhan Ahmed’s the one I’d have gone with.
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Yeah it seems really confusing that Bashir keeps getting picked, don’t think Leach the answer at all, but certainly better than Bashir
 
Inside Forward said:
It’s painful at this point.
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It’s pretty irrelevant to the international games like tbf

If you want to drop him for what he’s done for England fine. But not scoring runs on a green top in may in division 2 is as about as far away as possible relevant to test cricket

I swear people would open with Sibley just as he’s scored a few 100s on pitches with no pace or Carry against 75mph bowlers
Classic94 said:
I just don’t see it with Bashir. Seems miles off the level right now, despite his apparent potential. Leach is currently our ‘best’ spinner but pretty uninspiring at international level. Farhan Ahmed’s the one I’d have gone with.
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Not convinced either but he did take over 49 test wickets last year, I mean that’s impressive
 
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MustardAndOnions said:
It’s pretty irrelevant to the international games like tbf

If you want to drop him for what he’s done for England fine. But not scoring runs on a green top in may in division 2 is as about as far away as possible relevant to test cricket

I swear people would open with Sibley just as he’s scored a few 100s on pitches with no pace or Carry against 75mph bowlers


Not convinced either but he did take over 49 test wickets last year, I mean that’s impressive
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I think Bashir relative decent performances at test level as opposed to county level is down to the confidence and belief the likes of McCullum and Stokes give him.

On county form should be no where near test level.

It’s just another indication of this regime getting the best out of players which imo they don’t get enough credit for.

That said I would not be picking him
 
Voice of fair play said:
I think Bashir relative decent performances at test level as opposed to county level is down to the confidence and belief the likes of McCullum and Stokes give him.

On county form should be no where near test level.

It’s just another indication of this regime getting the best out of players which imo they don’t get enough credit for.

That said I would not be picking him
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He’s taking wickets at 40 in tests. 50 in the last 3 series

There’s some talent there. But he’s not ready. And he offers nowt with the bat
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
He’s taking wickets at 40 in tests. 50 in the last 3 series

There’s some talent there. But he’s not ready. And he offers nowt with the bat
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Yeah I would not pick him, definitely not, just making the point as with other players this regime gets the best out of the talent there with their approach, trust and confidence they give players.

And don’t think they get enough credit for it.
 
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chunkyshanhawk53 said:
They have done yeah at times.

They’ve also been a bit too funky at times.

Wonder what happened to Josh Hull?
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Well yeah times they have went too funky and will not get it right all of the time.

But genuinely believe not just in cricket but in most work environments people perform better when trusted, given confidence and allowed to flourish.

Rather than constantly been under pressure and feel like you playing for your place all the time and frightened to try anything in case you fail and be dropped.

And this England set up great at that which is often forgotten amongst other criticism.
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Voice of fair play said:
Well yeah times they have went too funky and will not get it right all of the time.

But genuinely believe not just in cricket but in most work environments people perform better when trusted, given confidence and allowed to flourish.

Rather than constantly been under pressure and feel like you playing for your place all the time and frightened to try anything against you fail and be dropped.

And this England set up great at that which is often forgotten amongst other criticism.
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That’s absolutely true

But I think they’ve been overly loyal a few times. And treated a few others like rubbish
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
That’s absolutely true

But I think they’ve been overly loyal a few times. And treated a few others like rubbish
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Well yeah again I agree, but when selecting national teams you never going to get it right all the time.

You just have to look at the criticism England football managers have had, you never going to keep everyone happy, and players out of the squad/team always seem better out of the side, especially when current players not performing well all the time.

What I do think and like is they true to their principles and outlook and simply pick the best side to win games full stop.

Even in jest all this golf stuff and not caring I think is absolutely nonsense.

Sure you have a good point they have made mistakes (who doesn’t)

But I think some of the criticism is over the top and is not balanced with the things they have got right.

Just my opinion for what it worth
 
chunkyshanhawk53 said:
He’s taking wickets at 40 in tests. 50 in the last 3 series

There’s some talent there. But he’s not ready. And he offers nowt with the bat
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He faded very badly no doubt

They basically think he will do the best in Oz

Got to be honest Dawson and leach will not take wickets in Australia and probs not hold an end up

I know it’s not the only series mind we do have India first!
 
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