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Sea to Shining Sea said:
Improvements to the stadium are surface scratching IMO.

It needs way more attention than I think the owners will give it
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It probably does aye, especially in terms of basics. The improvements are probably aimed more at corporate things mainly to try and attract concerts and maybe some neutral fans for eventual PL football. I think the club is being geared up to be sold once we go up, which is why it's value added things that they're doing.

If the best owners are at Brighton, and the worst owners are at Sheffield Wednesday, I think we're closer to top than bottom. But I understand some people see it differently and might say the mags and Man City have the best owners.
 

scott934 said:
It probably does aye, especially in terms of basics. The improvements are probably aimed more at corporate things mainly to try and attract concerts and maybe some neutral fans for eventual PL football. I think the club is being geared up to be sold once we go up, which is why it's value added things that they're doing.

If the best owners are at Brighton, and the worst owners are at Sheffield Wednesday, I think we're closer to top than bottom. But I understand some people see it differently and might say the mags and Man City have the best owners.
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In the entire football league aye, for sure. I just feel that in comparison with clubs of our historic level, we’re not quite showing the same level of desire and ambition. And I think the owners have access to the finance to do it if they wanted. Leeds, Forest, Villa, Everton, Mags, all with plans afoot or nearly finished to really modernise their facilities in order to try to kick on. I think we’re standing still therefore fear we will end up falling behind and end up as we were at Roker; way behind our rivals

I agree that the plan is to sell or at the very least sell part.
 
Football Dinosaur said:
Not the first to say they go fir a day out. That's sad when you think about what a football club should be. I want to watch a team that is doing everything it can to be as good as it can be. As far as the league above goes, many have a go whilst out of it but would change once in it. We can only worry about staying up if we got there. The mags, forest and villa were promited fairly recently and all are in or around the Champions league. Leicester have won the fa cup and league in the last 10 years. If you tell yourself your beaten before you start that's exactly what you'd be. The club would need to change how it operates, something I don't think they want which is why I believe they don't want promotion. But it's certainly big enough to sustain premier league football long term.
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It is sad, but that is what football has become. It is a totally rigged league structure, with the wealth hoarded in the top division and mostly across the biggest 5 - 10 teams. With FFP they have even rigged it so a sugar daddy can't transform a club and buy them a seat at that table any more (not that there are many individuals able to fulfill that role given the sums involved in modern football finance). It's not about positive mental attitude - you just have to face facts.
 
NYMackem said:
It is sad, but that is what football has become. It is a totally rigged league structure, with the wealth hoarded in the top division and mostly across the biggest 5 - 10 teams. With FFP they have even rigged it so a sugar daddy can't transform a club and buy them a seat at that table any more (not that there are many individuals able to fulfill that role given the sums involved in modern football finance). It's not about positive mental attitude - you just have to face facts.
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We're 10th in the all time league table.
We should and could be one of those teams.
 
Binxy said:
We're 10th in the all time league table.
We should and could be one of those teams.
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Unfortunately we were a bang average mid table second division team at the point the world changed, and we have been appallingly managed (at the club level) for most of the 30 years since.
 
If a gulf state took over and pledged a huge war chest,I would love Keanno back.Sometimes managers and players are just the right fit at certain clubs.
 
Safc98 said:
What point was that?
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When the Premier league broke away from the rest of the football league, signed the first monster TV deal with sky and kept pretty much all of the money.

FFP was the second big nail in the coffin for open competition (between chequebooks if not between clubs or teams), but the inception of the Premier league created the initial gulf, which has widened ever since.
 
Biglicks said:
Thats all we’ve ever had..
The only one who invested any kind of decent money was Short but put muppets in charge of it.
Never willing to take the next step and change us from the so called sleeping giant to a club that can hold its own. A brief flirt under Reid in my 45 years as a supporter is pathetic.
We’re so used to watching shite we over exaggerate the talents of anyone who shows a glimpse of anything near being any good.
Rigg isn’t going to set the world alight nor Bellingham either. They’re just decent that’s all.
This club deserves better than the penny pinching swindlers we’ve had in the past. It’s a crime that we’ve struggled so badly for the last 50 years.
If by a miracle we triumph in the play offs this owner will shit himself and we’ll be the whipping boys of nxt years premier league.
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Sea to Shining Sea said:
In the entire football league aye, for sure. I just feel that in comparison with clubs of our historic level, we’re not quite showing the same level of desire and ambition. And I think the owners have access to the finance to do it if they wanted. Leeds, Forest, Villa, Everton, Mags, all with plans afoot or nearly finished to really modernise their facilities in order to try to kick on. I think we’re standing still therefore fear we will end up falling behind and end up as we were at Roker; way behind our rivals

I agree that the plan is to sell or at the very least sell papart.
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I guess it depends how you want to define history, in most of our lifetimes we've been peers moreso with WBA, Norwich and Derby. Albeit I wouldn't put Forest in among that group you have.

Tbh though I don't think history matters at all, Wrexham are probably a bigger club than half the Championship as things stand, with their worldwide popularity.
 
NYMackem said:
When the Premier league broke away from the rest of the football league, signed the first monster TV deal with sky and kept pretty much all of the money.

FFP was the second big nail in the coffin for open competition (between chequebooks if not between clubs or teams), but the inception of the Premier league created the initial gulf, which has widened ever since.
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We're 10th in the all time table.
18th since football was invented.

Either way, we're below where we should be.

51 teams have played Premier league football, we're 18th and we'll above Wolves, Ipswich, Brighton, Fulham, Bournemouth, Brentford, Forest in the all time table.
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Binxy said:
We're 10th in the all time table.
18th since football was invented.

Either way, we're below where we should be.

51 teams have played Premier league football, we're 18th and we'll above Wolves, Ipswich, Brighton, Fulham, Bournemouth, Brentford, Forest in the all time table.
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I'm not sure if you meant to reply to me as your post doesn't relate to anything I've said and I don't disagree with (and haven't questioned) your analysis of our past performance.

However you are ignoring the fact that the game has now changed significantly. There is no reversion to the long term average of where you belong in the Premier league / FFP era. A club's fan base and history count for nothing in securing a credible Premier League team. We have missed the boat and it will take a lot of luck, money and good club management to get us back to a point where we can compete in the Premier league, even as a mid table team.
 
NYMackem said:
I'm not sure if you meant to reply to me as your post doesn't relate to anything I've said and I don't disagree with (and haven't questioned) your analysis of our past performance.

However you are ignoring the fact that the game has now changed significantly. There is no reversion to the long term average of where you belong in the Premier league / FFP era. A club's fan base and history count for nothing in securing a credible Premier League team. We have missed the boat and it will take a lot of luck, money and good club management to get us back to a point where we can compete in the Premier league, even as a mid table team.
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Agree, good management and a bit of money and there's no reason we can't do what Brighton and Forest are currently doing.
 
NYMackem said:
It is sad, but that is what football has become. It is a totally rigged league structure, with the wealth hoarded in the top division and mostly across the biggest 5 - 10 teams. With FFP they have even rigged it so a sugar daddy can't transform a club and buy them a seat at that table any more (not that there are many individuals able to fulfill that role given the sums involved in modern football finance). It's not about positive mental attitude - you just have to face facts.
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Yet teams are breaking into the top 5. Look at forest. Promoted recently and look on course for champions league. Villa haven't been in long or the mags. We're as big as them so nothing to prevent us from following them. Facts are our fan base can support premier league football, we're not an Ipswich or Luton.
 
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