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Passing on tickets to gain points

Towers76 said:
You wouldn’t be saying this if you were on a decent level of points and were missing out to someone on next to no points

Absolute bollocks statement which I assume was intended to wind people up

It’s not about picking and choosing for many people. Sure some just want Leeds and Hull but the majority want fairness in distribution and get angry when they hear stories of loyalty numbers being so freely passed on. This abuse of the system is being perpetrated by fellow fans ffs.

I love this bus argument. So non branch members should miss out on a ticket because someone wants to fill a bus?? Surely it’s more important that the most loyal fans get the chance to buy a ticket. Don’t forget non branch members also need to organise their own transport.
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I'm not saying it's right or fair. The fair thing would be for every ticket to go on merit but that will never happen - Jobe obviously didn't have enough loyalty points for a Preston ticket last week. But we're talking a pretty small number of tickets that are farmed out. Closing that avenue would basically kill off branches for the sake of making an extra few tickets available.

If the club actually got their arse into gear and got tickets on sale in advance with a fair, progressive way of moving through the points brackets instead of the ridiculous ballot, that would have a much more positive impact.
 

The Great Soprendo said:
It's an interesting point actually, and in most examples of high demand ticketing (eg gigs) it's done on a first come first served basis, or at best with a wide-open presale to a larger group of fans. I'm not advocating that for football, but it does beg the question around our assumption that those who go most often have first dibs. You could argue that is actually unfair to the wider fanbase, and we need a way to make the awayday experience a bit more accessible to more people (eg an open ballot for a small proportion of tickets, or a guarantee that for larger allocations there will be a general sale phase for a proportion).

All that aside, there's got to be an example somewhere of a club that gets this right, where the fans are happy with the system, that we could replicate.
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Exactly. I won’t be able to build points as I don’t have a season ticket. I can’t travel to Sunderland all the time it’s expensive and a long journey. Whereas the games around me I’m always wanting to go to.
 
Definitely Maybe said:
I'm not saying it's right or fair. The fair thing would be for every ticket to go on merit but that will never happen - Jobe obviously didn't have enough loyalty points for a Preston ticket last week. But we're talking a pretty small number of tickets that are farmed out. Closing that avenue would basically kill off branches for the sake of making an extra few tickets available.

If the club actually got their arse into gear and got tickets on sale in advance with a fair, progressive way of moving through the points brackets instead of the ridiculous ballot, that would have a much more positive impact.
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Jobe probably didn't even have a ticket probably just took a seat as he was probably still needed to be on match duty even though he wasn't involved & just wanted to be in with the fans rather than the directors box or where ever they normally sit
 
TrickyDisco said:
I think branches sorting it’s members and people buying them just to sell on for the point is totally different mind.
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I know when I used to travel away a lot with a branch, there were a few people in the clique who didn't have season tickets but took the place of a semi regulars ticket when they couldn't go.
On a bus of about 50, there might be 1 or 2 that had someone else's ticket.
 
North Yorks Mackem said:
People seem to be missing the original point raised. It's not complaining about the loyalty point system we have. It's the fairest way to distribute tickets and ensures those that do go regularly can secure tickets.

But you will see a few people, the same faces/accounts pop up on social media hawking out their ticket for away games on a regular basis and artificially building up points it is a bit annoying. And will probably ensure they get a ticket for say boro away at the expense of others that don't do this but have still built up a decent number of points.

The point made earlier about the impact on branches being a negative one if we insisted on tickets being used by the relevant season ticket holder is fair, as is those that have to drop out last minute for whatever reason and ensuring tickets don't go to waste.

But the scale of the issue is quite small I think. If the club could easily identity those persistent offenders at offering season tickets for points I wouldn't be against a friendly warning letter being sent their way. But the ticketing side is run on a shoestring so not sure you could justify spending time on that currently.
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I really like the way you've explained this. Pretty balanced and fair point. My only disagreement is that I think it's more prevalent than you suggest. Onky by speaking to people at away games....quite a large number have got their ticket from high pointers wanting to maintain their points by buying ticket with no intention of using it themselves.
 
Hawkings Boots said:
Unfortunately the club think getting a Facebook page closed down has solved the problem

The only fix I see is ID checks being introduced but that isn't going to happen
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Fuck that
What happens if people genuinely can’t make it tickets would just go to waste. At least now ya can pass them on.
 
safc_1973 said:
Fuck that
What happens if people genuinely can’t make it tickets would just go to waste. At least now ya can pass them on.
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That's fine. But above in this thread we see examples of people on 50+ points who haven't been to an away game in two seasons giving their tickets to people who don't have the points.

Give your ticket away but don't get the BCP for it. Let the club make it easy to say you shouldn't get the loyalty point.
 
Definitely Maybe said:
If the club actually got their arse into gear and got tickets on sale in advance with a fair, progressive way of moving through the points brackets instead of the ridiculous ballot, that would have a much more positive impact.
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As I said on another thread, I really don’t see why we need phases at all. A modern ticket system can surely handle everyone applying by a deadline date and then just allocating them in order of priority. We used to be able to do this with the old paper vouchers without a fancy computer system and it should be easy to do now.
 
Iguana said:
That's fine. But above in this thread we see examples of people on 50+ points who haven't been to an away game in two seasons giving their tickets to people who don't have the points.

Give your ticket away but don't get the BCP for it. Let the club make it easy to say you shouldn't get the loyalty point.
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Maybee I’m just old school. If ya want to build ya points ya can do it.

If a friend asks for ya number and ya not going it would be weird behaviour to say sorry mate it’s against the rules. Think about how many tickets corporate and player family’s get for the big away games.

Just read ya reply again I agree it’s takes the piss if they not going to games at all mind. I’m talking about now and again letting a mate have a number.
 
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safc_1973 said:
Maybee I’m just old school. If ya want to build ya points ya can do it.

If a friend asks for ya number and ya not going it would be weird behaviour to say sorry mate it’s against the rules. Think about how many tickets corporate and player family’s get for the big away games.

Just read ya reply again I agree it’s takes the piss if they not going to games at all mind. I’m talking about now and again letting a mate have a number.
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Yes, I agree that letting a mate have a ticket, or finding you can't go is fine to pass it on. It's when someone buys a ticket with their points just to keep their points total high.

I have built 40+ points over the last 3 years so I am not asking for special treatment. I just suspect that some of the people who went to QPR may not have had 45 points and maybe if it had been a fair system then I might have had a chance at a ticket on my meagre 42 points.

In the end we all just want to support our team so i can't get too angry.
 
Towers76 said:
Did I say it was a closed shop? You are missing the point though. The biggest impact of fans passing on the loyalty points is felt by guys in the say 25-50 range of points. These lads have been to plenty of the grounds that you would mention - they must have been to circa 60/65% games over the last few years. These are the next most loyal group of fans after the phase 1 regulars. They’ve done the miles but are still missing out and yes it only matters on the high points matches - that’s obvious isn’t it. Reality is it shouldn’t be happening and there’s enough posts to suggest it happens a lot. That said I would agree with other posts that suggest the majority of high pointers go to all of the games that they buy tickets for.
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How many times has away games sold out in phase 1 (where everyone over that amount of points is guaranteed at ticket) …. None.

The 25 - 50 bracket you talking about is 80% of the time the second phase. So they will get a ticket no problem.

Like someone said earlier , if you first got your season ticket last season and went to every away game you qualified for then you’ll be on 26 points now

You talking about a handful of top pointers that are doing this , and there is no way to police it, this happens at every club , we lucky we only have a few that do this. Try supporting one of the top premier league clubs.

I’m interested in how you want to go about solving this issue? Have you any ideas?

Personally I think you’re making a mountain out of a molehill. Doesn’t matter who you are , you go to away games you move up the ladder. It’s easy as pie to move up pecking order.
 
Mansfield Mackem said:
Should never happen. If you can’t go don’t buy a ticket to sell it on let someone else build their points up.
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Theres no doubt it happens , but I wonder how many are in a position to pay the ticket price just for a point and accept the risk of not moving it on ?
 
Mansfield Mackem said:
Should never happen. If you can’t go don’t buy a ticket to sell it on let someone else build their points up.
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It shouldn't happen correct but if I was on high points and someone asked me for say a QPR ticket. I would get it for them.

Asking random people to collect at an away game collect with ID might work but I doubt our ticket office would provide the staff to do it.

Think Newcastle did similar one year at Brighton
 
shootsitgoeswide said:
you go to away games you move up the ladder. It’s easy as pie to move up pecking order.
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Not strictly true this.

You are able to but away tickets, you move up the ladder.

Plenty on here go to away games and are forced to sit in the home end as an example.

Plenty on here rely on Facebook etc. for away tickets and don’t move up the ladder.
 
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