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Pakistan v England 3rd Test


My lunch prediction is looking bang on, I see.

Is this the thickest and most spineless England side in living memory?

Genuinely, they learn absolutely nothing from innings to innings and game to game, nor have they any fight whatsoever when the going gets tough.
 
brandon said:
My lunch prediction is looking bang on, I see.

Is this the thickest and most spineless England side in living memory?

Genuinely, they learn absolutely nothing from innings to innings and game to game, nor have they any fight whatsoever when the going gets tough.
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I’m not sure I agree with you there. They’ve won many matches from seemingly Un winnable positions since the change of regime.

We clearly have a huge problem on spinning pitches and certain individuals are massively out of form, but I don’t think it’s fair to say they have no fight.
 
DonaldDownTheWing said:
A defeat this big is probably going to force a bit of an inquiry afterwards which isn’t a bad thing.
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……and won’t happen, ECB are fully invested in McCullum, McCullum and Stokes are adamant regarding their style of play, this only leaves team selection and what options do we have?
 
DonaldDownTheWing said:
I’m not sure I agree with you there. They’ve won many matches from seemingly Un winnable positions since the change of regime.

We clearly have a huge problem on spinning pitches and certain individuals are massively out of form, but I don’t think it’s fair to say they have no fight.
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Yeah I agree it’s not down to fight, it’s down to not been able to play quality spinners in alien conditions
 
brandon said:
My lunch prediction is looking bang on, I see.

Is this the thickest and most spineless England side in living memory?

Genuinely, they learn absolutely nothing from innings to innings and game to game, nor have they any fight whatsoever when the going gets tough.
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Bazball 😎
 
Voice of fair play said:
Yeah I agree it’s not down to fight, it’s down to not been able to play quality spinners in alien conditions
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The only ground in this country that regularly has spinning pitches is Somerset and they get fined by the ECB for creating them, so there’s no surprise that we don’t produce batters that can play it.

In the grand scheme of things, is it terrible that we can’t win in these conditions? As an England test cricketer, there’s only 1 thing that matters really and that’s beating the Aussies once every 2 years.
 
DonaldDownTheWing said:
The only ground in this country that regularly has spinning pitches is Somerset and they get fined by the ECB for creating them, so there’s no surprise that we don’t produce batters that can play it.

In the grand scheme of things, is it terrible that we can’t win in these conditions? As an England test cricketer, there’s only 1 thing that matters really and that’s beating the Aussies once every 2 years.
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Yeah and when Somerset did produce them pitches you seen what happened all teams struggled massively.

Because our players not used it, apart from when Cooks team won in India.

We have always found playing in India and Pakistan very very difficult and when them countries produce big turning wickets we have struggled, both pre and during this regime and no doubt in the future too?

Not sure what the answer is tbh, would a different selection made a difference?

Would a different style made a diffrence?

Personally I don’t think soo, once Pakistan decided to produce big turners with our lack of quality spinners we were always going to struggle imo
 
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brandon said:
When did they last show some fight?
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They won the 1st test despite being 500 and odd behind after the Pakistan 1st innings. Both Root and Brook were having cramps for most of their innings against brutal heat.
Voice of fair play said:
Yeah and when Somerset did produce them pitches you seen what happened all teams struggled massively.

Because our players not used it, apart from when Cooks team won in India.

We have always found playing in India and Pakistan very very difficult and when them countries produce big turning wickets we have struggled, both pre and during this regime and not doubt in the future too?

Not sure what the answer is tbh, would a different selection made a difference?

Would a different style made a diffrence?

Personally I don’t think soo, once Pakistan decided to produce big turners with our lack of quality spinners we were always going to struggle imo
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That’s it, our spinners aren’t great because they don’t get the chance to play on spinning pitches much. That’s just a consequence of their environment.

We could’ve picked the 11 best players for the conditions, but that’s not how forging a team works.
 
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DonaldDownTheWing said:
They won the 1st test despite being 500 and odd behind after the Pakistan 1st innings. Both Root and Brook were having cramps for most of their innings against brutal heat.


That’s it, our spinners aren’t great because they don’t get the chance to play on spinning pitches much. That’s just a consequence of their environment.

We could’ve picked the 11 best players for the conditions, but that’s not how forging a team works.
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Yeah there is certainly a argument they could have showed more fight at times and dug in more.

But it would have just delayed the inevitable on these big turning wickets and would have lost their wickets for roughly the same scores these last 2 tests just probably batted a little longer for same result.

Said when we toured India when you compare our spinners in these conditions against opposition ones we miles behind and that is the main problem imo
 
Excellent bowling.
Noman's action is very reminiscent of my own - left arm round running in front of the umpire. then lobbing a drifter up to tempt the batter, (however mine normally got whacked to the boundary)
 
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