SOL expansion

[darius]

Nope, new housing being built to cater for demand. People only leave an area if it doesn’t have the homes/employment/leisure they need.

That number will be reversed and then some…the 0.5% decrease you refer to will be at least an 8% increase (probably more). This is key because massively more of our supporters are from Sunderland than shields

You are just wanting a fight because your other half has been picking on you again. I think you need to go and try to antagonize someone else, because I know what you are. At least you admitted you were wrong and I was right, the population has decreased.

 

[ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK]

To go to the game every week and everyone is buzzing because their part of an exclusive club who have tickets because they can afford it would be much better imo.

Tidied for clubs that sell out so the stadium looks 'class'

As for your loyalty scheme, the older loyal fans would soon dwindle over the years and thanks to your higher pricing strategy you won't have many new fans along the supporter conveyor belt to replace them. This is why clubs like Boro and Sheff Wed haven't got higher crowds yet they could if they dropped kids prices and got bairns into that loyalty at a young age they may see the benefits in future seasons as kids who grew up going to the game with their parents etc then go to the games with their mates, rather than going elsewhere doing stuff they did as kids as they just watched the footy on the TV as a kid so why bother going now?

For some people, to get to the point of the loyalty of going through shit times isn't something that an adult will suddenly develop, it's usually due to going as a young 'un. This is how the SOL with its capacity has allowed the younger generation to go even through the shit times and probably go even as an adult. It's not just all fairweather fans, it's fans who went as kids who now go through the shite times that help keep numbers up.

 

[Boris Bear]

You are just wanting a fight because your other half has been picking on you again. I think you need to go and try to antagonize someone else, because I know what you are. At least you admitted you were wrong and I was right, the population has decreased.

And is increasing.

You have a hang up about the fact that Sunderland AFC is Sunderland’s team. It’s very weird that you feel this way. If you can’t handle it then you should support shields

 

[Barista]

Tottenham’s £1m food and beverage revenues per game refer to the concourses only and do not include corporate hospitality revenues.

If the above wasn't correct Spurs would have to average approximately £95 for a matchday ticket to reach £6m of revenue per game.

Yes, you are correct. I misquoted the article - the £1m does not include corporate revenues and is concourses only. That £1m figure is mightily impressive.

 

[knownowt]

Well if there is a need to expand lets hope thought is given to accommodate convenient exits for those choosing to leave early

 

[Zimba]

Tidied for clubs that sell out so the stadium looks 'class'

As for your loyalty scheme, the older loyal fans would soon dwindle over the years and thanks to your higher pricing strategy you won't have many new fans along the supporter conveyor belt to replace them. This is why clubs like Boro and Sheff Wed haven't got higher crowds yet they could if they dropped kids prices and got bairns into that loyalty at a young age they may see the benefits in future seasons as kids who grew up going to the game with their parents etc then go to the games with their mates, rather than going elsewhere doing stuff they did as kids as they just watched the footy on the TV as a kid so why bother going now?

For some people, to get to the point of the loyalty of going through shit times isn't something that an adult will suddenly develop, it's usually due to going as a young 'un. This is how the SOL with its capacity has allowed the younger generation to go even through the shit times and probably go even as an adult. It's not just all fairweather fans, it's fans who went as kids who now go through the shite times that help keep numbers up.

Got nothing against kids tickets I'd keep them the same, they should be there for the reasons you said.

The loyalty I was thinking was something on the likes of all adult / senior prices increase 20% if we got promoted.

Anyone with a current season ticket join a new Black Cat Club which entitles to them 15% off the season ticket prices indefinitely until they don't renew for a season. To join the Black Cat Club you either have to be Under 18 (automatically join) or have a season ticket for 5 years.

It promotes the youth to come but at the same time promotes people to actually stay a season ticket holder. It's a fair system imo. Someone who's been a season ticket throught the thick and thin shouldn't be paying the same price as some fairweather fan who only turns up during the Premier League years imo.

 

[EssexYid]

Yes, you are correct. I misquoted the article - the £1m does not include corporate revenues and is concourses only. That £1m figure is mightily impressive.

You're correct it is mightily impressive as you put it, and with permission recently being granted for non matchday events to rise from 16 to 30 events Spurs would have the potential to hit around £200m for stadium revenues in the near future which is unbelievablereally.

Maybe one day the team will be mightily impressive as well, it is definitely improving but I will probably be in my box by the time any tangible success comes to fruition

 

[darius]

And is increasing.

You have a hang up about the fact that Sunderland AFC is Sunderland’s team. It’s very weird that you feel this way. If you can’t handle it then you should support shields

I Have never mentioned anything of the sort. I'm sorry that you feel you need to pick an argument with people. It's quite sad.

 

[Julio Mackemo]

I wish someone would just put up the plans

 

[oddbod]

What cost would you be recouping when said seats would be sat empty

They wont always be empty ! in not saying add extra seats as the prime reason for restructure. But it would be idiotic if the club to go to the huge expense of structural changes to the sol for corporate only as adding seats would only be a small additional cost of the whole build. I don't get the safc fan fear of empty seats if I'm being honest lets make the sol the best we can !..dont worry mate its not going to happen!

 

[Lord Nigle]

Have a look for yourself at ONS census numbers, down between 2011 and 2021. New houses going up everywhere. A lot of these will be to replace poorer housing elsewhere.

The new housing will also attract younger and middle aged people to move back into the City.
Kelham Island in Sheffield is absolutely thriving with a similar redevelopment of a former industrial area

 

[Zimba]

Not sure what new housing has to do with anything mind. I could move to anywhere in the country and I'd still be a Sunderland supporter and I'd imagine the vast majority of people moving around would be the same. The next generation kids might be different but they're kids and they won't be anywhere near the ground for at least 10 year.

I'm also not sure why people would want to spend their time in a stadium when there's much better venues pretty much on the door step in the city centre, outside of games. If we're going down this route, then business conferences would be where there's more likely money being spent as the places you can do it are rather lacking in the city.

 

[darius]

The new housing will also attract younger and middle aged people to move back into the City.
Kelham Island in Sheffield is absolutely thriving with a similar redevelopment of a former industrial area

Well, I think this is the theory, I don't know if we will have many supporters amongst them, but you never know

 

[Spaceturtle]

There is obviously something in the air about this as the rumours won’t go away. If we did get promoted, how long would it take to pump up the end behind the goal? What about the other side? Which would they want to do first? They could strike a deal with the police that could allow more away fans if for example a higher proportion were families. Less aggro you would hope. Say we allowed 7,000 to 10,000 in then we would need a bigger stadium. Many clubs could bring that easy.

 

[JackL]

There is obviously something in the air about this as the rumours won’t go away. If we did get promoted, how long would it take to pump up the end behind the goal? What about the other side? Which would they want to do first? They could strike a deal with the police that could allow more away fans if for example a higher proportion were families. Less aggro you would hope. Say we allowed 7,000 to 10,000 in then we would need a bigger stadium. Many clubs could bring that easy.

Prem won't allow that

 

[Spaceturtle]

Prem won't allow that

Is the max 3000, is it not the police that have a problem?

 

[Brett]

Is the max 3000, is it not the police that have a problem?

I don't think there is a max , just a minimum

 

[Paul3845]

Because there's a cost to have empty seats (maintenence etc), it looks terrible, makes the atmosphere worse and there won't be any need for these seats in the short/medium term, if ever.

It's not a problem for other clubs, because there's literally no club with 10% empty seats, planning to expand their stadium. To discuss it the other way fans at clubs like Wigan would much rather have a smaller stadium with a better atmosphere.

There's no financial sense behind it at all, I personally can't see when we would ever need a second tier on the East Stand, in particular, unless we are literally fighting at the top of the Premier League every season.

The only case, I could see for some expansion, is something in the NE or SW Corner with it designed properly for away fans, with proper segregation from the rest of the stadium so we can reopen the whole North Stand for home fans again, rather than what we have now when the bottom blocks are effectively abandoned.

Ok - but in two years - maybe less - we will be in the Premier League, and concerts are definitely a thing. An east stand extension with boxes below and to the north stand - which would take out seats in the lower bowl - would probably mean a net increase to c.55k. I think we would fill that as a premier league club and it would significantly improve our attractiveness for major concerts. You could definitely build a business plan around this.

 

[seaham ftm]

They wont always be empty ! in not saying add extra seats as the prime reason for restructure. But it would be idiotic if the club to go to the huge expense of structural changes to the sol for corporate only as adding seats would only be a small additional cost of the whole build. I don't get the safc fan fear of empty seats if I'm being honest lets make the sol the best we can !..dont worry mate its not going to happen!

They would be. We don’t have the fan numbers willing to pay for tickets.

 

[Zimba]

Ok - but in two years - maybe less - we will be in the Premier League, and concerts are definitely a thing. An east stand extension with boxes below and to the north stand - which would take out seats in the lower bowl - would probably mean a net increase to c.55k. I think we would fill that as a premier league club and it would significantly improve our attractiveness for major concerts. You could definitely build a business plan around this.

Don't disagree but imo we should be having this discussion in 2 years when it's actually needed and there's the Premier League money to pay for it.

Obviously what happens then is different discussion really.