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Ivan Toney


GingerNick said:
saudi is an opportunity for him...his success has been later in his career and I could see why he would want to cash in now,
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Because he played lower league a lot of his career it's OK not to have morals. Wow!

Chelsea, a basket case, but serial winners. He'll be set up for like there and could win trophies in a credible league. No choice at all
Hendon hotspurs said:
Chelsea are in for him now.
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Yep posted it on kepa thread. This one actually makes sense.
 
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Some class old threads of people saying they think Maja and Sinclair are better … and a random Burton Albion right back :lol:
 
Football Dinosaur said:
Because he played lower league a lot of his career it's OK not to have morals. Wow!

Chelsea, a basket case, but serial winners. He'll be set up for like there and could win trophies in a credible league. No choice at all

Yep posted it on kepa thread. This one actually makes sense.
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What are your own morals? It's always the people saying others should have morals who are the most hypocritical and bereft of morals themselves (in my experience). What are you doing yourself to make a stand against countries with bad human rights? There is a lot you can do, are you doing it? Are you out protesting on these marches multiple times a year? Are you making sure the goods you buy aren't from sweatshops? I doubt it, but it is easy to have a go at others to make yourself feel better.

Why is it on Toney to be the change like he's bloody Gandhi? Can't he just focus on looking after him and his family? Why does he have to hurt himself and make a stand? A stand that will do absolutely nothing to change Saudi in my opinion. He just plays footy, he's not an activist or intellectual, playing footy over there does not mean more gay people are hurt.

From what I can make out, Saudi Arabia is modernising as fast as possible without descending into civil war with the ultra-conservative clerics, who have huge influence there. The royal family know they have to change, to diversify from oil towards tourism and other industries. They have already made social reforms towards progress, like allowing women to drive and restricting the powers of the religious police. I just think it's typical western arrogance and superiority to expect them to be exactly like us and to expect them to change overnight to achieve that, and if they don't do that they are 'backwards scum' who should be cut off from the world.

I don't think 'sports washing' is even their main goal. I think them buying into football is just more diversification of their economy and will be helpful for tourism. They are buying into all kinds of industries, most of them not high profile. Their money is everywhere.

I'd argue that the more westerners who go live and work over there, spreading their ideals and morals, the faster they will become more liberal. Look at how much Dubai has changed in the last 20 years, I wore my G-string there last year and only about half the people were staring (the women).
 
Wakoro said:
What are your own morals? It's always the people saying others should have morals who are the most hypocritical and bereft of morals themselves (in my experience). What are you doing yourself to make a stand against countries with bad human rights? There is a lot you can do, are you doing it? Are you out protesting on these marches multiple times a year? Are you making sure the goods you buy aren't from sweatshops? I doubt it, but it is easy to have a go at others to make yourself feel better.

Why is it on Toney to be the change like he's bloody Gandhi? Can't he just focus on looking after him and his family? Why does he have to hurt himself and make a stand? A stand that will do absolutely nothing to change Saudi in my opinion. He just plays footy, he's not an activist or intellectual, playing footy over there does not mean more gay people are hurt.

From what I can make out, Saudi Arabia is modernising as fast as possible without descending into civil war with the ultra-conservative clerics, who have huge influence there. The royal family know they have to change, to diversify from oil towards tourism and other industries. They have already made social reforms towards progress, like allowing women to drive and restricting the powers of the religious police. I just think it's typical western arrogance and superiority to expect them to be exactly like us and to expect them to change overnight to achieve that, and if they don't do that they are 'backwards scum' who should be cut off from the world.

I don't think 'sports washing' is even their main goal. I think them buying into football is just more diversification of their economy and will be helpful for tourism. They are buying into all kinds of industries, most of them not high profile. Their money is everywhere.

I'd argue that the more westerners who go live and work over there, spreading their ideals and morals, the faster they will become more liberal. Look at how much Dubai has changed in the last 20 years, I wore my G-string there last year and only about half the people were staring (the women).
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Think you may forget I didn't watch a minute of the bloodstained world cup and got shit because of it. I try to stay well clear of anything accociated with middle east, such is my view on politics of the region.
 
Big risk if any Premier League team wanted him. Age is against him and resale value if he was 5 years younger someone would have took the punt.
 
28 year old and virtually ending his football career .....ambition to win trophies, play in Champions League, to become stamped in history at a top club have been extinguished

I dont get it...how much money do you want.
 
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