Jack Clarke To West Ham/Burnley/Lazio/ latest Ipswich...

[jarrowdiamond]

Jack Clarke is a great player and very very good for this division.

But lets not kid ourselves in thinking he's something that he isn't.

He's not near Summerville's levels.

Never has been.

Has he got the potential to be? Of course.

But there's nothing so far to suggest he's worth the same valuation as Summerville.

Summerville is even younger than Clarke.

Are you refering to your multiple heads?

 

[Deleted member 52509]

Jack Clarke isn't anywhere near the same level as Summerville.

Jack Clarke scored 15 goals last season with 4 assists in 40 games and of those 15 goals, 5 were penalties. He averaged 1 non pen goal every 4 games.
Summerville scored 21 goals last season with 10 assists (20 league goals and 9 league assists) in 49 games (46 league games - including the PO's) and of those 21 goals, 4 were penalties. He averaged 1 non pen goal every 2.875 league games.

Now even taking looking at the underlying data (using FBRef):

Jack Clarke in the last year is putting up numbers of 0.19 NPxG per 90 and 0.24 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.43 NPxG+xA per 90
Summerville in the last year is putting up numbers of 0.32 NPxG per 90 and 0.30 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.62 NPxG+xA per 90

Summerville is well above Clarke on underlying stats, both in goal threat and assist threat.

Summerville was one of the best players in the league last season.

No way in the world is Jack Clarke close to Summerville in performance or valuation.

In fact, he's much closer to someone like Isaiah Jones. Jones who isn't on pens for 'Boro, scored 8 league goals last season and had 4 assists, in 35 games. 1 non pen goal every 4.375 league games.

And also, Jones' underying data is much stronger too, with Jones putting up 0.35 NPxG per 90 and 0.17 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.52 NPxG+xA per 90.

Anything above £10m for Jack Clarke would be good business. £15m would be very very good business. £25m is a pipe dream.

On a general note -Interesting hearing Nigel Cloughs take on “ stats “ yesterday
Yes they are a factor in recruiting-but attitude is as important if not more so.
He weighs heavily on a player fitting into a squad and in that respect stats can be misleading -he has had players who statistically look great but he’s had to get shot quickly as their attitude would cause rifts in dressing room
Clarke is a very good player -hence the interest
We have several who seem to be sought after

 

[Marvanelli]

The stats are mostly bollocks though, you can’t compare a team challenging for the league to a one just surviving.

Put Clarke in that Leeds team last year and I think he’d have ended up with similar numbers.

Clarke already over performed his data last season.

He put up 11.4 xG and 7.5 NPxG. And yet he scored 14 league goals, 9 non pen league goals.

He was running hot last season. That might well continue.

But to suggest he'd go from 0.43 NPxG+xA per 90 to 0.62, just by playing for Leeds, is bonkers.

He might well have improved on that 0.43, but not by nearly 50%

 

[Secret Visage]

One in one so far.

Well done Jack Clarke.

 

[hank williams]

Jack Clarke isn't anywhere near the same level as Summerville.

Jack Clarke scored 15 goals last season with 4 assists in 40 games and of those 15 goals, 5 were penalties. He averaged 1 non pen goal every 4 games.
Summerville scored 21 goals last season with 10 assists (20 league goals and 9 league assists) in 49 games (46 league games - including the PO's) and of those 21 goals, 4 were penalties. He averaged 1 non pen goal every 2.875 league games.

Now even taking looking at the underlying data (using FBRef):

Jack Clarke in the last year is putting up numbers of 0.19 NPxG per 90 and 0.24 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.43 NPxG+xA per 90
Summerville in the last year is putting up numbers of 0.32 NPxG per 90 and 0.30 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.62 NPxG+xA per 90

Summerville is well above Clarke on underlying stats, both in goal threat and assist threat.

Summerville was one of the best players in the league last season.

No way in the world is Jack Clarke close to Summerville in performance or valuation.

In fact, he's much closer to someone like Isaiah Jones. Jones who isn't on pens for 'Boro, scored 8 league goals last season and had 4 assists, in 35 games. 1 non pen goal every 4.375 league games.

And also, Jones' underying data is much stronger too, with Jones putting up 0.35 NPxG per 90 and 0.17 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.52 NPxG+xA per 90.

Anything above £10m for Jack Clarke would be good business. £15m would be very very good business. £25m is a pipe dream.

I thought I was boards drunk

 

[Marvanelli]

On a general note -Interesting hearing Nigel Cloughs take on “ stats “ yesterday
Yes they are a factor in recruiting-but attitude is as important if not more so.
He weighs heavily on a player fitting into a squad and in that respect stats can be misleading -he has had players who statistically look great but he’s had to get shot quickly as their attitude would cause rifts in dressing room
Clarke is a very good player -hence the interest
We have several who seem to be sought after

Totally agree there's much more about signing a player than just on field stats.

But not sure the difference between off field stuff in comparison to Summerville would mean he's of the same valuation, when Summerville is beating him on stats, hands down, and is younger.

If Sunderland get £25m for Clarke, then by all means, the buying club have had their pants pulled down.

 

[Mackem00]

Wasn't Summerville only valued 25m due to his release clause?

 

[hank williams]

Wasn't Summerville only valued 25m due to his release clause?

Jimmy or the player

 

[Deleted member 52509]

Totally agree there's much more about signing a player than just on field stats.

But not sure the difference between off field stuff in comparison to Summerville would mean he's of the same valuation, when Summerville is beating him on stats, hands down, and is younger.

If Sunderland get £25m for Clarke, then by all means, the buying club have had their pants pulled down.

He will be worth what someone is willing to pay ( obviously) but is priceless at the mo to us .
Several of our “ important “ players have extended their contracts -if Clarkey does I would be delighted -would give the team a massive lift as well as the fan base -we will see

 

[Jokei84]

Clarke already over performed his data last season.

He put up 11.4 xG and 7.5 NPxG. And yet he scored 14 league goals, 9 non pen league goals.

He was running hot last season. That might well continue.

But to suggest he'd go from 0.43 NPxG+xA per 90 to 0.62, just by playing for Leeds, is bonkers.

He might well have improved on that 0.43, but not by nearly 50%

I think it’s entirely possible. I doubt Summerville was the only attacking threat in the team so wouldn’t have been doubled up on every game.

 

[red mackem]

Jack Clarke isn't anywhere near the same level as Summerville.

Jack Clarke scored 15 goals last season with 4 assists in 40 games and of those 15 goals, 5 were penalties. He averaged 1 non pen goal every 4 games.
Summerville scored 21 goals last season with 10 assists (20 league goals and 9 league assists) in 49 games (46 league games - including the PO's) and of those 21 goals, 4 were penalties. He averaged 1 non pen goal every 2.875 league games.

Now even taking looking at the underlying data (using FBRef):

Jack Clarke in the last year is putting up numbers of 0.19 NPxG per 90 and 0.24 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.43 NPxG+xA per 90
Summerville in the last year is putting up numbers of 0.32 NPxG per 90 and 0.30 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.62 NPxG+xA per 90

Summerville is well above Clarke on underlying stats, both in goal threat and assist threat.

Summerville was one of the best players in the league last season.

No way in the world is Jack Clarke close to Summerville in performance or valuation.

In fact, he's much closer to someone like Isaiah Jones. Jones who isn't on pens for 'Boro, scored 8 league goals last season and had 4 assists, in 35 games. 1 non pen goal every 4.375 league games.

And also, Jones' underying data is much stronger too, with Jones putting up 0.35 NPxG per 90 and 0.17 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.52 NPxG+xA per 90.

Anything above £10m for Jack Clarke would be good business. £15m would be very very good business. £25m is a pipe dream.

What those stats don’t show is how aweful we were for half the season and how 1 pronged our attack was. When you consider that along with how good Leeds were over the course of a season.

Ie use ya brain.

Then those stats start to show them in a more comparable light and help anyone with a basic knowledge of football understand 25 million is easy fair value in todays market

 

[Balboa]

What those stats don’t show is how aweful we were for half the season and how 1 pronged our attack was. When you consider that along with how good Leeds were over the course of a season.

Ie use ya brain.

Then those stats start to show them in a more comparable light and help anyone with a basic knowledge of football understand 25 million is easy fair value in todays market

No point talking to him mate he’s a Boro clown

 

[SAFC Billog]

Isaiah Jones

 

[mogget]

i dont think anyone would pay £25mn for clarke..rightly or wrongly..

Ideal.
We get to keep him then

 

[kildaremackem]

Ideal.
We get to keep him then

yep until his contract is almost run down..the club have rejected bids fr him..

 

[mogget]

yep until his contract is almost run down..the club have rejected bids fr him..

I'm not too worried about the contract situation

It means if he scores lot of goals he will go next summer.
A team who goes up or just stays up will take the punt on him.

 

[TB22]

Jack Clarke isn't anywhere near the same level as Summerville.

Jack Clarke scored 15 goals last season with 4 assists in 40 games and of those 15 goals, 5 were penalties. He averaged 1 non pen goal every 4 games.
Summerville scored 21 goals last season with 10 assists (20 league goals and 9 league assists) in 49 games (46 league games - including the PO's) and of those 21 goals, 4 were penalties. He averaged 1 non pen goal every 2.875 league games.

Now even taking looking at the underlying data (using FBRef):

Jack Clarke in the last year is putting up numbers of 0.19 NPxG per 90 and 0.24 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.43 NPxG+xA per 90
Summerville in the last year is putting up numbers of 0.32 NPxG per 90 and 0.30 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.62 NPxG+xA per 90

Summerville is well above Clarke on underlying stats, both in goal threat and assist threat.

Summerville was one of the best players in the league last season.

No way in the world is Jack Clarke close to Summerville in performance or valuation.

In fact, he's much closer to someone like Isaiah Jones. Jones who isn't on pens for 'Boro, scored 8 league goals last season and had 4 assists, in 35 games. 1 non pen goal every 4.375 league games.

And also, Jones' underying data is much stronger too, with Jones putting up 0.35 NPxG per 90 and 0.17 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.52 NPxG+xA per 90.

Anything above £10m for Jack Clarke would be good business. £15m would be very very good business. £25m is a pipe dream.

Bloody hell.... Now you've put it that way "Statto" . We should never sell Jack .

 

[DC88]

Jack Clarke isn't anywhere near the same level as Summerville.

Jack Clarke scored 15 goals last season with 4 assists in 40 games and of those 15 goals, 5 were penalties. He averaged 1 non pen goal every 4 games.
Summerville scored 21 goals last season with 10 assists (20 league goals and 9 league assists) in 49 games (46 league games - including the PO's) and of those 21 goals, 4 were penalties. He averaged 1 non pen goal every 2.875 league games.

Now even taking looking at the underlying data (using FBRef):

Jack Clarke in the last year is putting up numbers of 0.19 NPxG per 90 and 0.24 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.43 NPxG+xA per 90
Summerville in the last year is putting up numbers of 0.32 NPxG per 90 and 0.30 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.62 NPxG+xA per 90

Summerville is well above Clarke on underlying stats, both in goal threat and assist threat.

Summerville was one of the best players in the league last season.

No way in the world is Jack Clarke close to Summerville in performance or valuation.

In fact, he's much closer to someone like Isaiah Jones. Jones who isn't on pens for 'Boro, scored 8 league goals last season and had 4 assists, in 35 games. 1 non pen goal every 4.375 league games.

And also, Jones' underying data is much stronger too, with Jones putting up 0.35 NPxG per 90 and 0.17 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.52 NPxG+xA per 90.

Anything above £10m for Jack Clarke would be good business. £15m would be very very good business. £25m is a pipe dream.

Could you imagine signing up to another north east teams forum and typing all that shit up lol weird

 

[andy78]

Jack Clarke isn't anywhere near the same level as Summerville.

Jack Clarke scored 15 goals last season with 4 assists in 40 games and of those 15 goals, 5 were penalties. He averaged 1 non pen goal every 4 games.
Summerville scored 21 goals last season with 10 assists (20 league goals and 9 league assists) in 49 games (46 league games - including the PO's) and of those 21 goals, 4 were penalties. He averaged 1 non pen goal every 2.875 league games.

Now even taking looking at the underlying data (using FBRef):

Jack Clarke in the last year is putting up numbers of 0.19 NPxG per 90 and 0.24 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.43 NPxG+xA per 90
Summerville in the last year is putting up numbers of 0.32 NPxG per 90 and 0.30 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.62 NPxG+xA per 90

Summerville is well above Clarke on underlying stats, both in goal threat and assist threat.

Summerville was one of the best players in the league last season.

No way in the world is Jack Clarke close to Summerville in performance or valuation.

In fact, he's much closer to someone like Isaiah Jones. Jones who isn't on pens for 'Boro, scored 8 league goals last season and had 4 assists, in 35 games. 1 non pen goal every 4.375 league games.

And also, Jones' underying data is much stronger too, with Jones putting up 0.35 NPxG per 90 and 0.17 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.52 NPxG+xA per 90.

Anything above £10m for Jack Clarke would be good business. £15m would be very very good business. £25m is a pipe dream.

Lets use some more cherry picked stats from FBREF.

Successful take ons: Jack Clarke (1st): 147 - Summerville (3rd): 98
Progressive Carries: Jack Clarke (1st): 306 - Summerville (4th): 196
Carries into penalty area: Jack Clarke (1st): 176 - Summerville (3rd): 100
Goal creating actions: Jack Clarke (8th): 18 - Summerville (8th) 18

The underlying data seems to suggest that you're full of shit.

 

[palm 1]

Jack Clarke isn't anywhere near the same level as Summerville.

Jack Clarke scored 15 goals last season with 4 assists in 40 games and of those 15 goals, 5 were penalties. He averaged 1 non pen goal every 4 games.
Summerville scored 21 goals last season with 10 assists (20 league goals and 9 league assists) in 49 games (46 league games - including the PO's) and of those 21 goals, 4 were penalties. He averaged 1 non pen goal every 2.875 league games.

Now even taking looking at the underlying data (using FBRef):

Jack Clarke in the last year is putting up numbers of 0.19 NPxG per 90 and 0.24 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.43 NPxG+xA per 90
Summerville in the last year is putting up numbers of 0.32 NPxG per 90 and 0.30 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.62 NPxG+xA per 90

Summerville is well above Clarke on underlying stats, both in goal threat and assist threat.

Summerville was one of the best players in the league last season.

No way in the world is Jack Clarke close to Summerville in performance or valuation.

In fact, he's much closer to someone like Isaiah Jones. Jones who isn't on pens for 'Boro, scored 8 league goals last season and had 4 assists, in 35 games. 1 non pen goal every 4.375 league games.

And also, Jones' underying data is much stronger too, with Jones putting up 0.35 NPxG per 90 and 0.17 xAG per 90 - TOTAL 0.52 NPxG+xA per 90.

Anything above £10m for Jack Clarke would be good business. £15m would be very very good business. £25m is a pipe dream.

Do you not take into account the playing style and performance level of the team the player performs for . Leeds were a far better team overall than our team with threats from allover the place . We were a one man team with Clarke being doubled and trebled up on .