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SACK MOTT!

Parkside said:
Bazball summed up perfectly in that 1st sentence. Real test is coming this season with several replacements required in key positions.
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I like the way they play personally it’s great to watch and the captaincy is brilliant

The biggest myth in my view anyway is that we have the players in England to play a more traditional way and win games. I don’t think we do

I think Australia would have hammered us if we’d played any other way

Anyway it’s a shame stokes n McCullum are not in charge of the white ball stuff
 

MustardAndOnions said:
I like the way they play personally it’s great to watch and the captaincy is brilliant

The biggest myth in my view anyway is that we have the players in England to play a more traditional way and win games. I don’t think we do

I think Australia would have hammered us if we’d played any other way

Anyway it’s a shame stokes n McCullum are not in charge of the white ball stuff
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Both McCullum and Stokes are intelligent cricketers. I'm sure they'll review the past year and amend accordingly. Frightening lack of prospects bowling wise where a completely new unit is required.
 
Parkside said:
Both McCullum and Stokes are intelligent cricketers. I'm sure they'll review the past year and amend accordingly. Frightening lack of prospects bowling wise where a completely new unit is required.
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Aye dropping off like flies too this summer.

Archer looked fit mind, wouldnt play him this summer though.
 
Parkside said:
Both McCullum and Stokes are intelligent cricketers. I'm sure they'll review the past year and amend accordingly. Frightening lack of prospects bowling wise where a completely new unit is required.
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Stokes has our second best win rate of any captain iirc and its a big improvement on Roots captaincy record but you're right, there is some room for improvement. Hopefully they wont be dogmatic and can adapt a little. For example, Root seemed to be out of sorts in India and I think his batting suffered largely because he was trying to play the bazzball way and it just wasnt working for him. Glad to see he is back in form in the county championship and playing more of a style that suits him (benefiting from championship games he ironically says there are too many of).
 
smoker said:
Outplayed by India, Australia and SA. We didn't have a realistic chance in this trophy. Mott has taken the team massively backwards.
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Buttler? He makes most of the decisions.

Saw him interviewed last night saying looking back maybe he should have bowled Ali

I mean how is it not staring you in the face that he HAD to bowl 4 overs on that deck last night, its mad.

You cant account for captaincy that like, it doesnt matter who the coach is.
 
MustardAndOnions said:
Buttler? He makes most of the decisions.

Saw him interviewed last night saying looking back maybe he should have bowled Ali

I mean how is it not staring you in the face that he HAD to bowl 4 overs on that deck last night, its mad.

You cant account for captaincy that like, it doesnt matter who the coach is.
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The coach should surely have discussed the bowling strategy with the captain before the game. Blind leading the blind.
 
Parkside said:
The coach should surely have discussed the bowling strategy with the captain before the game. Blind leading the blind.
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Captain is still in charge of the cricket team like, at any level, its not football.

Captain was out on that pitch and saw what was happening, it indefensible
 
MustardAndOnions said:
Buttler? He makes most of the decisions.

Saw him interviewed last night saying looking back maybe he should have bowled Ali

I mean how is it not staring you in the face that he HAD to bowl 4 overs on that deck last night, its mad.

You cant account for captaincy that like, it doesnt matter who the coach is.
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Is Buttler responsible for selecting mediocre, past-their-sell-by bowlers like Wood, Topley and Jordan, or a badly out-of-form Curran?

The captain is just the on-field, operational manager and the coach sets the vision and strategy. Look at how much better Borthwick has been as a captain since Campbell took over at Durham.
 
smoker said:
Is Buttler responsible for selecting mediocre, past-their-sell-by bowlers like Wood, Topley and Jordan, or a badly out-of-form Curran?

The captain is just the on-field, operational manager and the coach sets the vision and strategy. Look at how much better Borthwick has been as a captain since Campbell took over at Durham.
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Wholly agree with the sentiments of that 2nd paragraph but I'd like to know how much input captain and coach have in selection; indeed what is the composition of the selection committee.
 
smoker said:
Is Buttler responsible for selecting mediocre, past-their-sell-by bowlers like Wood, Topley and Jordan, or a badly out-of-form Curran?

The captain is just the on-field, operational manager and the coach sets the vision and strategy. Look at how much better Borthwick has been as a captain since Campbell took over at Durham.
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Yes but did you watch the game last night? That was on Buttler not bowling spin is beyond belief
 
MustardAndOnions said:
Captain is still in charge of the cricket team like, at any level, its not football.

Captain was out on that pitch and saw what was happening, it indefensible
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Agree with this.

Captain and coach will obviously formulate a plan, who bowls what, where etc, but it is the duty of the captain to react to conditions and the game situation. Playing Ali yesterday and not bowling him was as good as playing with 10 men on that surface.
 
The Breen Machine said:
Agree with this.

Captain and coach will obviously formulate a plan, who bowls what, where etc, but it is the duty of the captain to react to conditions and the game situation. Playing Ali yesterday and not bowling him was as good as playing with 10 men on that surface.
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Absolutely. Are people suggesting Mott runs on and tells Buttler what to do

That doesn’t happen

He’s not a very good captain and he can’t adjust to things on the field as it happens

That’s literally the job of a captain
 
smoker said:
Is Buttler responsible for selecting mediocre, past-their-sell-by bowlers like Wood, Topley and Jordan, or a badly out-of-form Curran?

The captain is just the on-field, operational manager and the coach sets the vision and strategy. Look at how much better Borthwick has been as a captain since Campbell took over at Durham.
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Spot on.
 
Would see this as a good time for a bit of an overhaul tbh. It might sound like an overreaction but it's mainly down to the age of the side.

Buttler should be replaced as captain but remain a key player in the squad.

I don't see much point in continuing to pick Ali, Bairstow, Wood and Jordan.
 
MustardAndOnions said:
Absolutely. Are people suggesting Mott runs on and tells Buttler what to do

That doesn’t happen

He’s not a very good captain and he can’t adjust to things on the field as it happens

That’s literally the job of a captain
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I think we're arguing about which one's Dumb and which one's Dumber between Mott and Buttler.There was clearly little thought or planning before or during games.
 
Parkside said:
I think we're arguing about which one's Dumb and which one's Dumber between Mott and Buttler.There was clearly little thought or planning before or during games.
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Probably but regardless of the pre arranged plans it’s still the captains job to react on the field

The captain is the most important person in a cricket team and has the most power
 
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