Joe Root calls for a reduction in county cricker

[smoker]

Great batsman but complete bell end. Will never forget him laughing and carrying on during our last away Ashes drubbing.

First thing I would do is have one short format tournament not two, and would change it from 100 balls to T20.

No other country has two short format tournaments

However I would have it bang in the summer in the slot the hundred is now, for maximum exposure.

Embrace the change that has happened in every other country and have a designated window for it.

Then rest of the summer for more quality and less quantity red ball cricket
Work with the fact short format cricket is popular all around the world and get the balance right between longer and shorter format rather than constantly belittling it.

Why do you assume less cricket will mean higher quality and better exposure? Getting rid of counties will remove a pathway for quality young players.

 

[Turner the Cat]

First thing I would do is have one short format tournament not two, and would change it from 100 balls to T20.

No other country has two short format tournaments

However I would have it bang in the summer in the slot the hundred is now, for maximum exposure.

Embrace the change that has happened in every other country and have a designated window for it.

Then rest of the summer for more quality and less quantity red ball cricket

Agree with the first bit not the second.

We've already got less red ball cricket than we've ever had. Fed up of it being compromised and reduced in order to placate every other format. Any less and it becomes hardly worthwhile.

 

[Voice of fair play]

When Stokes took over the captaincy and started taking over all the plaudits for the results and cricket that followed which was in complete contrast to Root’s style of captaincy, making it look really bad on Roots style.

What did Root do, embraced the change enjoyed the challenge of the new regime, fully backed Stokes and continued to be a very important of the team

As always come across as a top top bloke Joe Root to me

Agree with the first bit not the second.

We've already got less red ball cricket than we've ever had. Fed up of it being compromised and reduced in order to placate every other format. Any less and it becomes hardly worthwhile.

It’s all about and always has been understanding the popularity of short format cricket working with it and understanding people want to watch it, while getting the balance right between the two red and white ball cricket for a strong England team

Great batsman but complete bell end. Will never forget him laughing and carrying on during our last away Ashes drubbing.

Why do you assume less cricket will mean higher quality and better exposure? Getting rid of counties will remove a pathway for quality young players.

Guess Root is staying too much cricket and tired cricketers negates top quality cricket

 

[Turner the Cat]

When Stokes took over the captaincy and started taking over all the plaudits for the results and cricket that followed which was in complete contrast to Root’s style of captaincy, making it look really bad on Roots style.

What did Root do, embraced the change enjoyed the challenge of the new regime, fully backed Stokes and continued to be a very important of the team

As always come across as a top top bloke Joe Root to me

I dont think Stokes needed to do anything to make Root's style look bad. Root's record as captain was awful. Stokes was a breath of fresh air after Root.

I dont think anyone is denying here that Root is an excellent batsman. Even during his recent poor form, iirc everyone on here stuck with him. Ironically, the current schedule he is criticising is helping him right now as he's starting to hit form again with a few excellent innings. Its just what he's needed after a poor ODI WC and unconvincing series in India.

 

[Voice of fair play]

I dont think Stokes needed to do anything to make Root's style look bad. Root's record as captain was awful. Stokes was a breath of fresh air after Root.

I dont think anyone is denying here that Root is an excellent batsman. Even during his recent poor form, iirc everyone on here stuck with him. Ironically, the current schedule he is criticising is helping him right now as he's starting to hit form again with a few excellent innings. Its just what he's needed after a poor ODI WC and unconvincing series in India.

For your first point mate, totally agree Stokes breath of fresh air, just making the point that Root embraced the new style got onboard straightaway as team player and top bloke imo.

For your second I agree don’t think anyone would deny Root a excellent batsman as it’s obvious he is.

That wasn’t and isn’t my point, my point is nowt said against the bloke or very little for years and years, yet the moment he suggests a slight change to county cricket that I genuinely believe he thinks is in the best interests of the England team all of a sudden he becomes a target for abuse.

My opinion was that was entirely predictable because anybody who has the audacity to suggest a change to county cricket is meet with the same abuse, irrespective of anything they have done before.

 

[smoker]

When Stokes took over the captaincy and started taking over all the plaudits for the results and cricket that followed which was in complete contrast to Root’s style of captaincy, making it look really bad on Roots style.

What did Root do, embraced the change enjoyed the challenge of the new regime, fully backed Stokes and continued to be a very important of the team

As always come across as a top top bloke Joe Root to me

It’s all about and always has been understanding the popularity of short format cricket working with it and understanding people want to watch it, while getting the balance right between the two red and white ball cricket for a strong England team

Guess Root is staying too much cricket and tired cricketers negates top quality cricket

Maybe he should have a word with the ECB about reducing the number of tests England play (50% more than any other country), if he’s feeling 'tired' rather than screwing other players' opportunity to put themselves in the shop window?

 

[Voice of fair play]

Maybe he should have a word with the ECB about reducing the number of tests England play (50% more than any other country), if he’s feeling 'tired' rather than screwing other players' opportunity to put themselves in the shop window?

Maybe work together and reduce both for the benefit and quality of both

 

[smoker]

Maybe work together and reduce both for the benefit and quality of both

No. Counties are the lifeblood of the game and there is no link between England players' tiredness and the county game as the majority of the underperforming snowflakes are on central contracts. He's required to play county cricket once in a blue moon and still twists about it.

 

[Voice of fair play]

No. Counties are the lifeblood of the game and there is no link between England players' tiredness and the county game as the majority of the underperforming snowflakes are on central contracts. He's required to play county cricket once in a blue moon and still twists about it.

He has had a brilliant career arguably one of the best by a England player ever.

And has always imo come across as top bloke.

All he has done is put across a view what he considers best for English cricket,

however yet again somebody having an opinion who should command massive respect just like Strauss is met with abuse.

Sad as fuck imo

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

He has had a brilliant career arguably one of the best by a England player ever.

And has always imo come across as top bloke.

All he has done is put across a view what he considers best for English cricket,

however yet again somebody having an opinion who should command massive respect just like Strauss is met with abuse.

Sad as fuck imo

You command respect for the things you say, it doesn’t automatically come because you’re good with a piece of willow

If that were the case, we’d all have to respect Pietersen, Warner and Vaughan.

 

[Voice of fair play]

You command respect for the things you say, it doesn’t automatically come because you’re good with a piece of willow

If that were the case, we’d all have to respect Pietersen, Warner and Vaughan.

I think it’s more than fair to say them 3 blokes do not have the character or integrity of Joe Root.

It’s not the fact people are disagreeing with him mate that I object too, it’s the name calling and abuse for having a genuine opinion.

Can’t remember and name calling towards him before as opposed to the 3 blokes you mention.

But one suggestion of change to county cricket and all of a sudden it comes!!

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

I think it’s more than fair to say them 3 blokes do not have the character or integrity of Joe Root

That has nothing to do with whether his view should be respected.

The fact that he’s not a complete gobshite doesn’t make him right by default.

He’s not right here.

 

[Parkside]

First thing I would do is have one short format tournament not two, and would change it from 100 balls to T20.

No other country has two short format tournaments

However I would have it bang in the summer in the slot the hundred is now, for maximum exposure.

Embrace the change that has happened in every other country and have a designated window for it.

Then rest of the summer for more quality and less quantity red ball cricket
Work with the fact short format cricket is popular all around the world and get the balance right between longer and shorter format rather than constantly belittling it.

Not so sure there's a  belittlement of the short format. It's the priority given to the loss making and unproven Hundred that most posters object to. There's an assumption,unproven, that the school summer holidays are the best time for a short format window. Maybe the optimum time is late in the summer term when supervised school parties are encouraged to come with reduced rates for party bookings.
Why should Strauss and Root's exemplary test records exempt them from criticism for advocating changes in the cricket schedule if cricket supporters disagree with them?

 

[Voice of fair play]

That has nothing to do with whether his view should be respected.

The fact that he’s not a complete gobshite doesn’t make him right by default.

He’s not right here.

He may not be, I happen to think he is, but respect others views including yours who may think he wrong.

But don’t respect calling someone like Root a bellend and other abuse towards him.

Personally think he commands miles more respect than the other 3 you mentioned

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

He may not be, I happen to think he is, but respect others views including yours who may think he wrong.

But don’t respect calling someone like Root a bellend and other abuse towards him.

Personally think he commands miles more respect than the other 3 you mentioned

If the hill you want to die on is some nasty words, the internet is absolutely full of it

 

[Voice of fair play]

Not so sure there's a  belittlement of the short format. It's the priority given to the loss making and unproven Hundred that most posters object to. There's an assumption,unproven, that the school summer holidays are the best time for a short format window. Maybe the optimum time is late in the summer term when supervised school parties are encouraged to come with reduced rates for party bookings.
Why should Strauss and Root's exemplary test records exempt them from criticism for advocating changes in the cricket schedule if cricket supporters disagree with them?

Couple of points there mate.

Firstly think Root and Strauss should be agreed or disagreed with irrespective of their test careers totally with you there.

But strongly don’t think they deserve the abuse and name calling for having genuine opinions of what best for English cricket.

Think they deserve more respect.

Secondly there is loads of belittling short format cricket imo, you only have to look at comments towards the IPL for example.

When there is a entertaining red ball game rather than just enjoying it, many a poster takes the opportunity to say it’s better than short format, it doesn’t happen the other way round.

As for school holidays for a T20 competition that is my opinion when it would be best, but more importantly again imo, is to have a designated window where all focus on it and all top players available for it like it other countries.

If it all condensed in that window then all the more time for quality red ball cricket outside that window.

If the hill you want to die on is some nasty words, the internet is absolutely full of it

Not sure something been full of it makes it right.

I was always of the opinion that certain people command respect .

And imo Root certainly in that category.

Surely a intelligent poster like you can accept you can disagree with them rather than abusing them

 

[Aidan11]

I never understand this "fewer games means better quality" argument.

Is it because Australia only play a handful of red ball games a season? In that case why hasn't it worked for the West Indies who also only play a handful of red ball games?

There is a misconception that every county cricketer has to be good enough to play for England. Well that's not gonna happen.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

I never understand this "fewer games means better quality" argument.

Is it because Australia only play a handful of red ball games a season? In that case why hasn't it worked for the West Indies who also only play a handful of red ball games?

There is a misconception that every county cricketer has to be good enough to play for England. Well that's not gonna happen.

I’ve also never understood the argument that everything has to be to develop England players.

It’s about playing cricket. For fans. And players. And for the sake of playing cricket

 

[Aidan11]

I’ve also never understood the argument that everything has to be to develop England players.

It’s about playing cricket. For fans. And players. And for the sake of playing cricket

Correct.

I'm more interested in Durham than England. When England are on tv and Durham are streaming on YouTube at the same time, I always choose Durham.

 

[Voice of fair play]

I’ve also never understood the argument that everything has to be to develop England players.

It’s about playing cricket. For fans. And players. And for the sake of playing cricket

Yeah that why Key was wrong using the kookaburra ball for the first two county championship rounds.

Think he genuinely though best for English cricket but by doing that.

Spoiled the spectacle of the game for playing public and the integrity of the competition.

I thought he was totally wrong though

Didn’t make him a wanker or bellend though