Joe Root calls for a reduction in county cricker

[Parkside]

Couple of points there mate.

Firstly think Root and Strauss should be agreed or disagreed with irrespective of their test careers totally with you there.

But strongly don’t think they deserve the abuse and name calling for having genuine opinions of what best for English cricket.

Think they deserve more respect.

Secondly there is loads of belittling short format cricket imo, you only have to look at comments towards the IPL for example.

When there is a entertaining red ball game rather than just enjoying it, many a poster takes the opportunity to say it’s better than short format, it doesn’t happen the other way round.

As for school holidays for a T20 competition that is my opinion when it would be best, but more importantly again imo, is to have a designated window where all focus on it and all top players available for it like it other countries.

If it all condensed in that window then all the more time for quality red ball cricket outside that window.

Not sure something been full of it makes it right.

I was always of the opinion that certain people command respect .

And imo Root certainly in that category.

Surely a intelligent poster like you can accept you can disagree with them rather than abusing them

The odd abusive comment, best ignored imo.
There are lots of aspects of the short format which I don't enjoy. Best summed up as creating a large imbalance between batting and bowling. It's a way of getting initial interest from youngsters who understandably find the longer format boring. I'm sure the devotees of T20 are very critical of the longer format,they just don't post on here. I wouldn't take such ridicule to heart; in fact I'd probably agree with them. Each to his own.

The odd abusive comment, best ignored imo.
There are lots of aspects of the short format which I don't enjoy. Best summed up as creating a large imbalance between batting and bowling. It's a way of getting initial interest from youngsters who understandably find the longer format boring. I'm sure the devotees of T20 are very critical of the longer format,they just don't post on here. I wouldn't take such ridicule to heart; in fact I'd probably agree with them. Each to his own.

I also think Key is a bell end but probably not a w****r

 

[Voice of fair play]

The odd abusive comment, best ignored imo.
There are lots of aspects of the short format which I don't enjoy. Best summed up as creating a large imbalance between batting and bowling. It's a way of getting initial interest from youngsters who understandably find the longer format boring. I'm sure the devotees of T20 are very critical of the longer format,they just don't post on here. I wouldn't take such ridicule to heart; in fact I'd probably agree with them. Each to his own.

Just my opinion mate, but think in some its embedded that shorter format is just slogging rather than appreciating the high skills that have evolved and developed in that format.

I see too many posts either saying or hinting that.

Personally think both short and long format are to be enjoyed and each has their own merits and place in a modern sporting world

The odd abusive comment, best ignored imo.
There are lots of aspects of the short format which I don't enjoy. Best summed up as creating a large imbalance between batting and bowling. It's a way of getting initial interest from youngsters who understandably find the longer format boring. I'm sure the devotees of T20 are very critical of the longer format,they just don't post on here. I wouldn't take such ridicule to heart; in fact I'd probably agree with them. Each to his own.

I also think Key is a bell end but probably not a w****r

And I think Key wants England test cricket side to play more positive cricket than they have historically which I have wanted them to do for years.

So fully behind him, although think very wrong for using kookaburra ball each to their own

 

[Turner the Cat]

By my rough calculations, domestically players are playing fewer days and fewer hours than they were 20 years ago which begs the question why the schedule is a problem now?

Counties play 2 less 4 day games than they did 20 years ago. That's 8 days less full cricket.

The Sunday League is gone. That's 16 fewer one day games for each team.

The one day cup is expanded since 2004 and is an average of 2 extra one day games per team.

There are 11 more T20 games per team compared to 2004.

There are also now 8 games per Hundred team that didnt happen before.

That means a big decrease on 45 over and all day playing replaced by shorter format 20 over and 16.6 over cricket. All in all players are probably playing considerably fewer hours of cricket.

 

[mackem1989]

I guess Joe Root will now be a wanker, tosser and whatever people throw at him, just like Andrew Strauss and their brillant careers forgotten because they dared suggest a change

He’s ripped into county cricket when he rarely plays erm county cricket,

He doesn’t need the games or the money so fuck the rest of them it’s not a change he’s suggesting alienating Cc



You can be a good cricketer and a total bellend.

The hundred should be the first to go.

 

[Parkside]

Just my opinion mate, but think in some its embedded that shorter format is just slogging rather than appreciating the high skills that have evolved and developed in that format.

I see too many posts either saying or hinting that.

Personally think both short and long format are to be enjoyed and each has their own merits and place in a modern sporting world

And I think Key wants England test cricket side to play more positive cricket than they have historically which I have wanted them to do for years.

So fully behind him, although think very wrong for using kookaburra ball each to their own

Ok then,it's skilful slogging.
Not so sure mind how much credit Key can take for Basball. He appointed McCullum admittedly but Stokes put himself forward for the captaincy effectively making it a fair complet as no one would have stood against him. Key very keen to take the limelight when things are going well but neither seen nor heard when things went t!ts up in the test series in India nor during the 50 over world cup. I've got nothing but contempt for the bloke.

By my rough calculations, domestically players are playing fewer days and fewer hours than they were 20 years ago which begs the question why the schedule is a problem now?

Counties play 2 less 4 day games than they did 20 years ago. That's 8 days less full cricket.

The Sunday League is gone. That's 16 fewer one day games for each team.

The one day cup is expanded since 2004 and is an average of 2 extra one day games per team.

There are 11 more T20 games per team compared to 2004.

There are also now 8 games per Hundred team that didnt happen before.

That means a big decrease on 45 over and all day playing replaced by shorter format 20 over and 16.6 over cricket. All in all players are probably playing considerably fewer hours of cricket.

Yes but no one plays both 50 over and Hundred.

 

[Voice of fair play]

He’s ripped into county cricket when he rarely plays erm county cricket,

He doesn’t need the games or the money so fuck the rest of them it’s not a change he’s suggesting alienating Cc



You can be a good cricketer and a total bellend.

The hundred should be the first to go.

He hasn’t ripped into county cricket at all.

He has made a suggestion of what he thinks best for English cricket going forward.

And because of that all of sudden he a bellend, and all the other names he has been called on this thread.

Ok then,it's skilful slogging.
Not so sure mind how much credit Key can take for Basball. He appointed McCullum admittedly but Stokes put himself forward for the captaincy effectively making it a fair complet as no one would have stood against him. Key very keen to take the limelight when things are going well but neither seen nor heard when things went t!ts up in the test series in India nor during the 50 over world cup. I've got nothing but contempt for the bloke.

Yes but no one plays both 50 over and Hundred.

I think tbf when Key was a pundit on sky he was regularly advocating playing more positively.

However of course taken to another level by McCullum and Stokes.

The level of fielding, all round shots and variety of bowling has evolved massively due to T20.

Anyone who has played the game, would and should appreciate the difficulty of switch hitting, reverse sweeps, scoops etc and the immense talent needed to pull of them shots.

However because they have been developed in a format they perceive threatens the longer format, they choose to either ignore or not appreciate that high still needed to pull of them shots.

 

[mackem1989]

He hasn’t ripped into county cricket at all.

He has made a suggestion of what he thinks best for English cricket going forward.

And because of that all of sudden he a bellend, and all the other names he has been called on this thread.

He hasn’t ripped into county cricket at all.

He has made a suggestion of what he thinks best for English cricket going forward.

And because of that all of sudden he a bellend, and all the other names he has been called on this thread.

I’ve watched and played this game been lucky enough to go all over the world,

I’ve been lucky enough to play in the 4 day games.

It upsets me to see people who have central contracts dictate to others.

it’s all about protecting for the t20 and the 16.4 that’s the top and bottom of it.

Money money money which is sad

Root is a brilliant player one of the best and you can never take that away from him however he’s an ECB boy at the end of the day.

Now you will disagree as other opinions seem to be invalid to you but that’s my take on it
protect the short game.

Riddint the 16.4 would help but nah they get ££

 

[Voice of fair play]

I’ve watched and played this game been lucky enough to go all over the world,

I’ve been lucky enough to play in the 4 day games.

It upsets me to see people who have central contracts dictate to others.

it’s all about protecting for the t20 and the 16.4 that’s the top and bottom of it.

Money money money which is sad

Root is a brilliant player one of the best and you can never take that away from him however he’s an ECB boy at the end of the day.

Now you will disagree as other opinions seem to be invalid to you but that’s my take on it
protect the short game.

Riddint the 16.4 would help but nah they get ££

To me once again, it’s about having the acceptance and realism that short format cricket is here to stay and has took off in every country bar none over last 10/20 years.


And working together to just have one designated window for that during the season where all players available and focus on it.

Leaving the rest of the season for quality red ball cricket, both formats need to work together to achieve correct balance.

 

[KGC83]

He hardly plays anyway

 

[mackem1989]

To me once again, it’s about having the acceptance and realism that short format cricket is here to stay and has took off in every country bar none over last 10/20 years.

And working together to just have one designated window for that during the season where all players available and focus on it.

Leaving the rest of the season for quality red ball cricket, both formats need to work together to achieve correct balance.

That’s the thing I don’t think they can work together,

I’ve got pals who play in the county league (ooo look at me) and a lot seem to support it.

I’ve also got a mate who would play cricket 8 days a week

You are right in a balance is needed, I don’t think root spearheading it is the way forward.

Let’s ask the County teams let’s openly ask the county players and go from there.

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

Just listening to an interview with Potts and he's full of how he loves playing cricket/loves playing for Durham. I do wonder if this "we play too much" is being driven by a small few who are "superstars"

 

[brandon]

There is plenty people who respect the likes of Root and Strauss and what they have done for the game and strongly respect their views and judgements and want a strong England cricket team.

If that means reducing some games and you dont like it could not give a fuck mate.

It’s a board for opinions and that my genuine opinion that Root has a very very good point

That’s got nothing to do with it, you insinuated (as you’ve done before re: Strauss) that folk should simply gloss over when they talk shite because of what they’ve achieved in the game.

Everyone else is able to separate the two. Joe Root is still one of my favourite cricketers, but on this topic he’s saying things that are very very dangerous for the future of domestic cricket.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

If we reduce the number of matches, are the lads who play county cricket going to have to get part time jobs to make up their lost salaries?

 

[Voice of fair play]

That’s the thing I don’t think they can work together,

I’ve got pals who play in the county league (ooo look at me) and a lot seem to support it.

I’ve also got a mate who would play cricket 8 days a week

You are right in a balance is needed, I don’t think root spearheading it is the way forward.

Let’s ask the County teams let’s openly ask the county players and go from there.

Yeah but tbf mate, that is what the article from the op says.

From research from the PCA 81% of the players have concerns over the number of games

 

[Parkside]

He hasn’t ripped into county cricket at all.

He has made a suggestion of what he thinks best for English cricket going forward.

And because of that all of sudden he a bellend, and all the other names he has been called on this thread.

I think tbf when Key was a pundit on sky he was regularly advocating playing more positively.

However of course taken to another level by McCullum and Stokes.

The level of fielding, all round shots and variety of bowling has evolved massively due to T20.

Anyone who has played the game, would and should appreciate the difficulty of switch hitting, reverse sweeps, scoops etc and the immense talent needed to pull of them shots.

However because they have been developed in a format they perceive threatens the longer format, they choose to either ignore or not appreciate that high still needed to pull of them shots.

They're well paid professional cricketers - they're expected to execute specialist skills. With scores of 200+ the norm in a 20 over innings it has to be an anomaly to claim bowling has improved massively.
As for Key, he's fully entitled to make suggestions.A Kookaboro ball in early season English conditions appears to be a particularly crass idea as the preponderance of high scores proved. Hence he got rightly condemned.He comes over as extremely arrogant and dictatorial ,hence the criticism becomes personal.

 

[Voice of fair play]

That’s got nothing to do with it, you insinuated (as you’ve done before re: Strauss) that folk should simply gloss over when they talk shite because of what they’ve achieved in the game.

Everyone else is able to separate the two. Joe Root is still one of my favourite cricketers, but on this topic he’s saying things that are very very dangerous for the future of domestic cricket.

That’s not what I am saying at all, by all means disagree with them.

I don’t disagree with people criticizing their views I disagree with them calling and abusing them for them simply have a genuine view what best for English cricket

 

[GordonMuchallNo1Fan]

Yeah but tbf mate, that is what the article from the op says.

From research from the PCA 81% of the players have concerns over the number of games

I find 81% hard to believe as well.

It is what it is and I've said many times I don't see much hope for County Cricket such is the way of the clowns running the game now. It's sad but I feel it's inevitable further reductions will happen soon enough, and that will be my lot as a member at Durham, it would no longer appeal to me but the club won't be arsed about that

 

[Voice of fair play]

They're well paid professional cricketers - they're expected to execute specialist skills. With scores of 200+ the norm in a 20 over innings it has to be an anomaly to claim bowling has improved massively.
As for Key, he's fully entitled to make suggestions.A Kookaboro ball in early season English conditions appears to be a particularly crass idea as the preponderance of high scores proved. Hence he got rightly condemned.He comes over as extremely arrogant and dictatorial ,hence the criticism becomes personal.

I think we need to agree to disagree regarding Key, as simply don’t see him like you.

I see him as someone who has chosen a coach and captain who I think are great for English cricket and who made a mistake wanted the kookaburra ball but did it for right reasons

 

[brandon]

And Michael ‘Vaughany’ Vaughan.

Speaking of gobshites…

Huw Turbervill just showed him his arse:

You must be logged on to see media items

 

[Voice of fair play]

I find 81% hard to believe as well.

It is what it is and I've said many times I don't see much hope for County Cricket such is the way of the clowns running the game now. It's sad but I feel it's inevitable further reductions will happen soon enough, and that will be my lot as a member at Durham, it would no longer appeal to me but the club won't be arsed about that

Yeah the 81% is in the article so taking that as the truth