Anyone else?

[chriswallace85]

It’s probably more than a lot of clubs spent in this league all summer. Speakman managed to find such gems as Mayenda, Burstow, Triantis, etc etc all of which have been as much good to the first team squad as the hole in the stadium roof.

Couldn’t have done much more !!!

Makes me wonder when he’ll be held to account. Mowbray was dismissed for his first poor run of form this season, Beale then gets the push after 12 games. Speakman has failed three transfer windows in a row …. who’s doing his appraisal ?

I've said elsewhere Speakman's position should be under review.

I do however think it's blatantly obvious we have one of the smaller budgets in the league. Beale even said as much - the first time I can recall anyone from the club going on record about it.

According to this we had the 7th highest expenditure, though it was only a little over the Ross Stewart fee.

If you look at our balance, we're actually way down the list, which isn't ideal. You compare that with Leicester, who managed to spend the best part of £45m and still turn a £62m profit. How the hell are we supposed to compete with that?


Perhaps we could have scouted better players than the ones our £12m got, but who were they? Did they want to come? What wages would they have wanted? Our wage bill is reportedly the 20th lowest in the league.

Then there's timing to consider. Will Keane moved to Preston in July. Did we have Will Keane money in July? Or were we waiting to see if we could do better than Will Keane once the Stewart deal was done?

It's just not that straight forward. £10m-£12m isn't a lot of money.


I agree, too many players aren't ready or haven't worked out. Project Bellingham has crippled us in my opinion. Was that not something like a £3m outlay early doors? And the bugger's played too many games contributing far too little. We still could stand to make a massive gain on him, time will tell, but I'm more interested in football results than balance sheets.

 

[SAFC Wilks]

Anyone else not excited by the thought of 40M + coming into the coffers in the summer from the sales of Clarke and Ballard?

Burnley built an unreal squad last season from money generated from player sales, spent around 35m in total and walked the league.

Heartbroken as the next fella but every cloud and that.

Depends if we sign genuine quality at this level, and not a bunch of 18 year olds overseas.

 

[chriswallace85]

I've said elsewhere Speakman's position should be under review.

I do however think it's blatantly obvious we have one of the smaller budgets in the league. Beale even said as much - the first time I can recall anyone from the club going on record about it.

According to this we had the 7th highest expenditure, though it was only a little over the Ross Stewart fee.

If you look at our balance, we're actually way down the list, which isn't ideal. You compare that with Leicester, who managed to spend the best part of £45m and still turn a £62m profit. How the hell are we supposed to compete with that?


Perhaps we could have scouted better players than the ones our £12m got, but who were they? Did they want to come? What wages would they have wanted? Our wage bill is reportedly the 20th lowest in the league.

Then there's timing to consider. Will Keane moved to Preston in July. Did we have Will Keane money in July? Or were we waiting to see if we could do better than Will Keane once the Stewart deal was done?

It's just not that straight forward. £10m-£12m isn't a lot of money.


I agree, too many players aren't ready or haven't worked out. Project Bellingham has crippled us in my opinion. Was that not something like a £3m outlay early doors? And the bugger's played too many games contributing far too little. We still could stand to make a massive gain on him, time will tell, but I'm more interested in football results than balance sheets.

Here's the link regarding expenditure - didn't realise it hadn't worked.

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@Alfa

Depends if we sign genuine quality at this level, and not a bunch of 18 year olds overseas.

A lot more chance of that with £40m than there is £10m - especially if you get it in early and not the last day.

 

[nessen]

Depends if we sign genuine quality at this level, and not a bunch of 18 year olds overseas.

The correct answer for me. We’re a club that needs to make money on players and everyone needs to start realising that. Like you said it’s how they spend the funds and how long they can hold onto these players for. Contracts seem to be 4-5yrs now so we stand more of a chance of holding on for the right price.

 

[Its Him Again]

Do you believe that? Where do you think the Ross Stewart money has gone? It’s all gone on balancing the books to prevent the need for the owners putting a penny in. KLD is more likely to remortgage the SOL than put sizeable amounts of his own money in

That's what you call FFP

How do you know there is still any need to do this? The last accounts filed are ancient history, year ended July 2022. We won't see the results of July 2023 until sometime in April probably.

It's extremely unlikely that we make any money
Name a club that does in the championship these days ?

 

[Sollentuna15]

A lot of assumptions regarding the ambition (or lack of it) from the owners. But we’ll find out once and for all this summer.

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@Alfa

A lot more chance of that with £40m than there is £10m - especially if you get it in early and not the last day.

That’s why selling Clarke needs to be sorted out now, ready for him to go as soon as possible.

 

[oddbod]

will show just how ambitious they really are if proper money comes in

Penny will finally drop !..they will only spend a small % of player sales!...just like donald ..give them enough time and they cannot hide their motives or utter disdain for the supporters.

 

[chriswallace85]

A lot of assumptions regarding the ambition (or lack of it) from the owners. But we’ll find out once and for all this summer.

That’s why selling Clarke needs to be sorted out now, ready for him to go as soon as possible.

All depends what we can get for him really. If we'd wanted to cash in last summer, I'm certain we could have for about £15m. As it was, Jack Clarke was more valuable to us than £15m ever would be, so that in itself is testament to the owner's ambition. Stick another £10m on that this summer and we've got something to really think about.


But at the end of the day, somebody's gotta really want him at that price. Reports in January suggested Lazio bid £15m - sorry but it's not enough. Nathan Tella went to Bayer Leverkusen last summer for £20m. He might get himself a medal, but he's only played 315 minutes of football this season...that's 3.5 games. Is £20m enough for us to replace Jack Clarke, and is that a move Clarke would even entertain? Is a Premier League club ready to stump up £25m for him? Would he get a game if he went?


It's probably wishful thinking , but it's not implausible that we might get another (half a) season out of him.

Though his numbers weren't as good, Jack Grealish spent 3 seasons in the Championship with Villa, and a further two in the Prem, before getting his big move.

 

[exiled_in_manc]

Anyone else not excited by the thought of 40M + coming into the coffers in the summer from the sales of Clarke and Ballard?

Burnley built an unreal squad last season from money generated from player sales, spent around 35m in total and walked the league.

Heartbroken as the next fella but every cloud and that.

No, cos we won't fill the positions needed and only purchase wingers or fullbacks under the age of 23.

 

[Sollentuna15]

All depends what we can get for him really. If we'd wanted to cash in last summer, I'm certain we could have for about £15m. As it was, Jack Clarke was more valuable to us than £15m ever would be, so that in itself is testament to the owner's ambition. Stick another £10m on that this summer and we've got something to really think about.


But at the end of the day, somebody's gotta really want him at that price. Reports in January suggested Lazio bid £15m - sorry but it's not enough. Nathan Tella went to Bayer Leverkusen last summer for £20m. He might get himself a medal, but he's only played 315 minutes of football this season...that's 3.5 games. Is £20m enough for us to replace Jack Clarke, and is that a move Clarke would even entertain? Is a Premier League club ready to stump up £25m for him? Would he get a game if he went?


It's probably wishful thinking , but it's not implausible that we might get another (half a) season out of him.

Though his numbers weren't as good, Jack Grealish spent 3 seasons in the Championship with Villa, and a further two in the Prem, before getting his big move.

That’s what I mean about their ambition. It’s confusing. Giving Roberts a new contract and sacking Mowbray seemed ambitious yet appointing Beale wasn’t. I think 15 million for Clarke isn’t enough either but then we just end up in the hands of him and his agent again 6-12 months later. Wharton going to Palace for £20 million hopefully shows we should get more for Clarke. I don’t think Tella is a better player either but he’s got raw pace and suits the way Leverkusen play so he’s a good fit for them I suppose.

 

[chriswallace85]

That’s what I mean about their ambition. It’s confusing. Giving Roberts a new contract and sacking Mowbray seemed ambitious yet appointing Beale wasn’t. I think 15 million for Clarke isn’t enough either but then we just end up in the hands of him and his agent again 6-12 months later. Wharton going to Palace for £20 million hopefully shows we should get more for Clarke. I don’t think Tella is a better player either but he’s got raw pace and suits the way Leverkusen play so he’s a good fit for them I suppose.

I think they've just dropped a massive bollock with Beale. I think they must have had confidence in him and they thought they were being clever. They must have done. It's the simplest answer. They've just gotten it wrong. That's football.

 

[Sollentuna15]

I think they've just dropped a massive bollock with Beale. I think they must have had confidence in him and they thought they were being clever. They must have done. It's the simplest answer. They've just gotten it wrong. That's football.

You can’t knock them for acting quickly and admitting they were wrong. Think it just baffles us all that he was the man to replace Mowbray.

 

[marley's ghost]

I've said for a while now that this coming close season will be the acid test for the project. Money in their pockets, time to show ambition in the transfer mkt. Burnley's experience however is the alarm bell. They walked the championship but don't seem to have enough to survive this season. So further financial risks ahead if we want to stay in the top flight.

 

[chriswallace85]

You can’t knock them for acting quickly and admitting they were wrong. Think it just baffles us all that he was the man to replace Mowbray.

Everyone was very quick to jump on the reasons to steer clear, but there were a number of reasons for optimism... Young. Good start at QPR. Very good start at Rangers with a ridiculously good win ratio. Vast experience in working with young players and developing them. Been at some huge clubs. Very good rep in the game as a coach. On top of that he was obviously available and willing to work within the structure. Again, it's been a misstep, but you can see why they would go for him, aside from the obvious.

 

[Sollentuna15]

I've said for a while now that this coming close season will be the acid test for the project. Money in their pockets, time to show ambition in the transfer mkt. Burnley's experience however is the alarm bell. They walked the championship but don't seem to have enough to survive this season. So further financial risks ahead if we want to stay in the top flight.

Burnley were excellent last season. It’s worrying how much they’ve struggled in the Premier League. Luton remind me of us under Reid. Direct but played more football than we were given credit for. Probably no surprise they’re doing “ok”because they’ve got a bit of variety in their first XI.

Everyone was very quick to jump on the reasons to steer clear, but there were a number of reasons for optimism... Young. Good start at QPR. Very good start at Rangers with a ridiculously good win ratio. Vast experience in working with young players and developing them. Been at some huge clubs. Very good rep in the game as a coach. On top of that he was obviously available and willing to work within the structure. Again, it's been a misstep, but you can see why they would go for him, aside from the obvious.

Being coach/manager at Rangers takes a strong character and for that reason I hoped he would be a good fit. But it quickly became obvious it wouldn’t work out for him/us.

 

[Sir dave]

Anyone else not excited by the thought of 40M + coming into the coffers in the summer from the sales of Clarke and Ballard?

Burnley built an unreal squad last season from money generated from player sales, spent around 35m in total and walked the league.

Heartbroken as the next fella but every cloud and that.

We wouldn’t get £40 million from Clarke & Ballard sale need to take off spurs cut & Arsenal cut be more close to £30 million

 

[Hongkongphooey]

If Speakman and the owner can't see how lopsided the squad is then they need to pack in, I wouldn't trust Speakman with a shopping list never mind the next transfer window based on the last 3.

 

[Dave Hosselhaff]

If Speakman and the owner can't see how lopsided the squad is then they need to pack in, I wouldn't trust Speakman with a shopping list never mind the next transfer window based on the last 3.

 

[vinegar hill]

35 million coming in spend about 3 pund 50

 

[Hongkongphooey]

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