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*~*~* Sunderland v Hull match thread *~*~*


Longy said:
The main problem was obvious at 7pm. We’d more or less abandoned the right side. A centre half right back, who, to be fair to him will defend adequately, but won’t get up the pitch. A central midfielder/no.10 on the right who will want to come inside & rarely be on the line.

Left side you’ve got Clarke who teams double up on regardless, but now as you don’t have a right hand side threat it’s easier to concentrate on that area to nullify. Then you’re left with the central options in a team that has struggled all season to create & get forward without using the wingers.

Then you’ve got Bellingham, who I think was fantastic early doors, looking slow & cumbersome physically, the same way Callum Doyle did at this point after we played him every minute, but he also looks like he’s lost any confidence, swagger, dominance because of it too. He’s been managed terribly, but even Mowbray didn’t used to leave him on the pitch for 90mins. He’s went from being a 17yr old I couldn’t believe looked so good, psychically against blokes, to an 18yr old who looks like a passenger & doesn’t quite know where he fits. That’s down to our management if him, not the player.

Worrying thing is, I think these things are common sense & it feels like the staff are blind to it.

I always said we have to give Beale a chance, but fuck me, he’s not helping himself.
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Spot on that.
 
Whitburnmakem said:
The tactics were shocking tonight Ekwah playing ontop of the defenders with our whole midfield upfront , he was getting the ball and didn’t have another midfielder anywhere near him, why is he playing so deep thought that was the purpose of playing onien to bring the ball out, there is no purpose of him been there everything he done a centre half could do. The main problem tonight was the gap between him and the rest of the midfield when he was getting the ball
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Well said.
 
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This sums it up. Shite
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Incredible that like. It’s why we should’ve signed Simms imo even tho he wasn’t a world beater he could lead the line. Or Broadhead. or anyone who could play there I suppose! Charlie Wyke would’ve done a job for the last two years imo!
 
Tom said:
This happens every game it’s nowt new. At least 2 or 3 times a game we pass it back to the keeper/back line from a promising attack.
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They learnt nowt from the mags game. Pissing about at the back instead of playing forward puts themselves under pressure.
 
It was awful.
Slow pedestrian football , looked like a team with no confidence who could only pass sideways or backwards.
How far we've fallen in a short space of time.
Going to the match has been really enjoyable for the last 18 month. Back to being a chore again
 
So all those who said look
At his win% at QPR & Rangers can now be quiet his is awful, the club have regressed so much in a month season over and might start looking over our shoulders, anyone see the next win coming
 
It’s been known all season that teams are double/tripling-up on Clarke every time he gets the ball…could the tactical genius we have in charge not come up with a way to initiate play that will take some of their focus away from JC only for us to quickly switch play to the left leaving abit more space for him to operate?

As it is literally everything goes down the left hand side, ball still goes to Clarke who is then asked to beat 2, 3, 4 players - which he does often to be fair - but why can’t we play in a way that gives him a fair go?

Nothing that hasn’t been said before but Beale is a fraud as is Speakman and KLD can just piss off.
 
andysafc24 said:
They learnt nowt from the mags game. Pissing about at the back instead of playing forward puts themselves under pressure.
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That’s a different thing but just as annoying. That’s pissing about with it at the back when playing out from the keeper, we haven’t even made it into the opposing half at this point.
 
Within 25 minutes he’d switched Rusyn out to the right and put pritch central.

So he’s worked on those tactics supposedly all week only to ditch them when he’s seen what everyone saw would happen when the team was announced.

He’s so far out his depth it’s laughable, he’s done. We don’t want him but the club seemingly can’t admit a mistake.

Pathetic.
 
Was it the right thing merging the thread discussing tactics into the official match thread? There was a proper discussion going on that’s now been lumped in with another 188 pages.

I’ll not open a match thread I was at the day after a match. I’ll contribute to discussions about said match though as there’s usually various topics about the 90mins to go through.
 
andysafc24 said:
They learnt nowt from the mags game. Pissing about at the back instead of playing forward puts themselves under pressure.
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The principle is sound. If it drags their players about you create gaps in the middle of the pitch. You just need to find the gap and then quickly attack it. Something we don’t do
 
Longy said:
The main problem was obvious at 7pm. We’d more or less abandoned the right side. A centre half right back, who, to be fair to him will defend adequately, but won’t get up the pitch. A central midfielder/no.10 on the right who will want to come inside & rarely be on the line.

Left side you’ve got Clarke who teams double up on regardless, but now as you don’t have a right hand side threat it’s easier to concentrate on that area to nullify. Then you’re left with the central options in a team that has struggled all season to create & get forward without using the wingers.

Then you’ve got Bellingham, who I think was fantastic early doors, looking slow & cumbersome physically, the same way Callum Doyle did at this point after we played him every minute, but he also looks like he’s lost any confidence, swagger, dominance because of it too. He’s been managed terribly, but even Mowbray didn’t used to leave him on the pitch for 90mins. He’s went from being a 17yr old I couldn’t believe looked so good, psychically against blokes, to an 18yr old who looks like a passenger & doesn’t quite know where he fits. That’s down to our management if him, not the player.

Worrying thing is, I think these things are common sense & it feels like the staff are blind to it.

I always said we have to give Beale a chance, but fuck me, he’s not helping himself.
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100% this I said the same thing. There was one easy move last night we could’ve made to give us more balance that 99% of fans could see. Play Seelt in his proper position and play O’Nien at RB. He’s played there and arguably had some of his best games there so why are we so stubborn playing him at CB. Have to play others out of position just to accommodate it. I like ONien a lot even at CB but when you have a 6’4 CB playing RB expecting him to overlap it’s just lunacy
 
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