The ref (see PGMOL thread)

[Georgewhitt]

That is true - so Dan Neil needs to look at himself, serve a suspension, and I’m sure his manager will also make him take responsibility for his decision.

What will happen to the ref? Will he take responsibility for his own decisions- that he ruined a game of football, that he didnt book other players for similar offences, that he decided the game single. Will his manager take him to task? Nope.

The ref decided the game.

Agree.

He will have the game assessed. He will not get the punishment he deserves for such an inept performance.

But he didn't decide the game. He made a decision to book DN, correctly in my view, and he only did that because DN gave him a decision to make.

He appealed for a free kick just like hundreds of players do thousands a time a season.

He swore at the referee, and showed dissent man.

I hate it as much as you do, but that is what happened.

 

[sofatester]

Agree.

He will have the game assessed. He will not get the punishment he deserves for such an inept performance.

But he didn't decide the game. He made a decision to book DN, correctly in my view, and he only did that because DN gave him a decision to make.

He swore at the referee, and showed dissent man.

I hate it as much as you do, but that is what happened.

Like hundreds of players do thousands times a season. The referee should have shown some common sense and had a word with him. You are in the minority on this
Also this would be my response to any player on any team booked for this

 

[Methusalah]

Agree.

He will have the game assessed. He will not get the punishment he deserves for such an inept performance.

But he didn't decide the game. He made a decision to book DN, correctly in my view, and he only did that because DN gave him a decision to make.

He swore at the referee, and showed dissent man.

I hate it as much as you do, but that is what happened.

Far too simplistic. He might have sworn as did almost every other player on the pitch. Why choose Neil to punish ? Grossly unfair.

 

[Roker Magic]

OK so why doesn't the ref have to come out and explain his decision. These guys are well paid professionals . Bottom line we as fans paid a lot of money to watch this game, not to mention sky viewers, and that decision ruined what up infill then had been a cracking game

However many people paid to watch it, does not change the rules of the game. If you read the rules, dissent is a bookable offence. Regardless of the inconsistencies in this match, Dan Neil was booked for dissent, and was already on a yellow card. We also don't know how inconsistent the decisions were because we don't know what gets said between the players and the ref. What Dan Neil said to the referee may have been worse, or more offensive, than what other players said to the ref. We really don't know.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Whatever a player says to a referee sfter a decision, he's not going to change his mind. He's made a decision and that is it.
Maybe the Captain might have a word, but the players are wasting their breath.
Players are generally "grandstanding" when they have a pop at the ref anyway.
Accept the decision, or if you choose to have a pop, don't be surprised if you get booked.

Exactly does anybody believe Neil, was genuinely wanting to communicate with the ref about why the earlier foul was given?

Of course he wasn’t and the ref was not going to change his mind.

So what was the point Neil was trying to achieve other than twisting which was totally pointless.

 

[KEYOPener]

The referee need to explain to the fans why he needed to book Dan Neil and also why other were not cautioned. The arguments can be put behind and everyone can move on

 

[Voice of fair play]

However many people paid to watch it, does not change the rules of the game. If you read the rules, dissent is a bookable offence. Regardless of the inconsistencies in this match, Dan Neil was booked for dissent, and was already on a yellow card. We also don't know how inconsistent the decisions were because we don't know what gets said between the players and the ref. What Dan Neil said to the referee may have been worse, or more offensive, than what other players said to the ref. We really don't know.

Well exactly what was said is paramount to the whole argument and no one can be certain.

 

[Missplaced Childhood]

Wasting your time mate

Yeah i know mate

 

[SAFC1962]

Typical ridiculous example of football culture, zero responsibility for their own actions, sportsman in other sports get frustrated but remain disciplined and professional because their team members, fans and club depend on them to be,

Where of course in football it’s always somebody’s else’s fault normally the ref!

Already said countless times it was a harsh decision.

What about golf. If yesterday's ref had been walking with the games on Friday & Saturday there would have been no one left to play in Sunday's singles. Sky uttered dozens of "apologies for the language" in the 3 days!!

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Agree.

He will have the game assessed. He will not get the punishment he deserves for such an inept performance.

But he didn't decide the game. He made a decision to book DN, correctly in my view, and he only did that because DN gave him a decision to make.

He swore at the referee, and showed dissent man.

I hate it as much as you do, but that is what happened.

He didn't swear at the referee. He merely used an expletive as an adjective. Saying "You're f***ing useless" would be swearing at the referee. Saying "That's a f***ing foul" isn't. That's water off a duck's back to a competent ref, and it's heard in any mic-up I've ever seen. Gillett seems to be a bit of a prima donna, and must be the thinnest skinned Aussie on the face of the planet.

 

[Voice of fair play]

What about golf. If yesterday's ref had been walking with the games on Friday & Saturday there would have been no one left to play in Sunday's singles. Sky uttered dozens of "apologies for the language" in the 3 days!!

You mean the sport where there call fouls on themselves and if they do cheat all the other players call them.

You mean that golf

 

[Ferryhill Exile]

The ref is claiming Neil called him a “fuckhead”, according to the Boro club doctor.

 

[Faust17]

Agree.

He will have the game assessed. He will not get the punishment he deserves for such an inept performance.

But he didn't decide the game. He made a decision to book DN, correctly in my view, and he only did that because DN gave him a decision to make.

He swore at the referee, and showed dissent man.

I hate it as much as you do, but that is what happened.

he decided to enforce the rules but only sometimes. You simply can’t play refs like that mate. It’s like only giving goal kicks sometimes. He decided the game

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

You mean the sport where there call fouls on themselves and if they do cheat all the other players call them.

You mean that golf

And also the game where they'll say "That's f***ing awful" when they hit a bad shot.

 

[Ava Ava Ava]

Well exactly what was said is paramount to the whole argument and no one can be certain.

Was at the game and have followed the thread and accept that if Neil hadn't complained in the way he has likely done thousands of times before, he wouldn't have been sent off.
My problem with the ref was that he missed countless fouls (and two assaults on Ballard) but the only dubious decision that went in our favour was the probable penalty.
The mistakes were almost entirely in favour of Boro, can someone explain that please?
Refs have an impossible job and fans are usually biased but what went on yesterday was overwhelmingly against us in a way that I simply don't understand, and cannot accept as reasonable in any normal interpretation of the rules as I understand them.

 

[ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK]

You’re not public enemy number one to me, we agree on a lot, I think the abuse you get is pathetic. I also get you like to add balance.

I’m just geniunely intrigued, I’ve watched that video a few times from sporty and I can’t see this supposed wave. He isn’t running towards him, he isn’t in his face, he’s making a point. I don’t say he’s completely blameless mind, he needs to shut his mouth on a yellow card. I’m more interested in the consistency side.

I just can’t get into my head how a player screaming in your face, which did happen yesterday doesn’t warrant a card for discent, yet Neil’s actions do.

If he consistently booked everyone for what he deems as a cautionable offence, fair do’s. Same as some of the fouls, but we’ll never agree on them.

I know I said I was out but this is the ref putting his hand up and waving him away (IMO) and in the video it's clear that Neil says more than we've been told (again IMO).

As for consistency, you can't argue it's not a booking but I'd prefer refs book the lot as it needs stopping and get the attitude to change so it's more like the respect shown in rugby. Shite like this is part of the reason why refs at lower levels are at a shortage and they've even trialled them wearing bodycams due to the shite they get.

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I also noticed shortly before the 2nd yellow and watch Clarke as goes over at 43:18, not a foul for me. Clarke, O'Nien and Neil all claim the free kick but the ref's attention goes towards Neil. O'Nien stops appealing but Neil still has his arms up while the ref is looking at Neil shaking his head before the camera cuts. Obviously you don't know what is said but whatever it was got the ref's attention out of the 3 claiming for the free kick.

The video will start to show the class cross field ball and then Ba stopping it (couldn't leave that out) but then you'll see the incident. Bear in mind some probably won't see this on a phone before they jump in all guns blazing

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[Voice of fair play]

The ref is claiming Neil called him a “fuckhead”, according to the Boro club doctor.

Interesting!!

Now than who is more trustworthy a footballer or a doctor??

 

[ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK]

The ref is claiming Neil called him a “fuckhead”, according to the Boro club doctor.

Where is the source for that (or do you know the club doctor?) and why not tell that to Mowbray as surely the ref knows the 2nd yellow will have caused issues.

 

[Voice of fair play]

And also the game where they'll say "That's f***ing awful" when they hit a bad shot.

While looking and pointing at a official?

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Interesting!!

Now than who is more trustworthy a footballer or a doctor??

The doctor is "claiming" the ref said it, not saying he heard Dan say it. I'd give equal trust to Neil and the ref on this one.