The ref (see PGMOL thread)

[Voice of fair play]

Consistently is not possible when you dealing with different instances and people.

Consistently has never happened and never will it’s down to interpretation and is subjective always has been.

That’s one of the key problems with stupid handball situation and other stuff striving for the impossible.

Refs should just be allowed to ref the game how they see fit and mistakes they inevitably make treated the same way as the inevitable mistakes made by players.

Used to be that way up to a point, and there was nothing wrong with the game, until everyone concerned, pundits, fans, managers and the media did not accept them inevitable mistakes.

Now we have incredible ridiculous over the scrutiny where people look at ref games against a certain team in the past and put 2 and 2 together and make 7 that the ref has something against them which is complete nonsense, even occasions looking where a ref lives and saying he lives to close to one team so must be biased

What everybody needs to do from all angles imo ( but will not happen) is stop trying to make instances and fouls the same and compare, all fouls are different and seen differently by different people.

And stop asking for consistently because it’s f***ing impossible.

Refs should rightly get criticism when they have the luxury of VAR and still get it wrong.

However when they have one look, one angle and split seconds to make a decision in such a fast paced game, 99% of times their mistakes should be accepted and understood like they once were, sadly they not and why we have some of the ridiculous situations we have now on occasions.

 

[wicketkeeper]

I think the paranoia is outstanding from some of our fans. Baffling Neil getting away scott free for it all. The workie ticket was lucky not to get a red when he got booked yet still managed to fuck it up and ultimately cost us the game. That happens to a Middlesbrough players and it's hailed as sensible officiating. Any type of dissent I'd really nuanced depending on what was said and how it was said. It's simply not a black and white issue hence why you will see players swearing and it will go unpunished. It's going to ridiculous for the next few weeks that every bit of dissent caught on camera will see the toys come out the pram about consistency

The problem I have with your stance is that with the benefit of hindsight you say Neil was stupid.
Yet from his point of view he was entitled to think that there was zero risk in his behaviour he and many other players have done the same thing thousands of times with no consequences.
The referee has acted in a virtually unprecedented way and you cannot blame the player for that.

Dunno why you lot are blaming the ref. Dan Neil was an idiot to gob off

He is doing what he has done and others have done thousands of times before with no consequences.

 

[YorkMackem]

I'm not on the pitch, I'm not a professional footballer.

Dan Neil is.

And before anyone says otherwise, Dan Neil has been one of our best players this season. The work he's does on and off the ball has been very good. But in my eyes he gave the ref an excuse yesterday.

In my opinion it's just about impossible to take that out of his game and nor should we want to. It just needs to be proportionate. Given how much the ref missed in the first half, including the build up to the incident, every local player is going to react like that and many would go way further than he did, without consequences.

How many times do we see teams that we play surrounding the ref and in his face, while our lads barely register a complaint when we get wronged!

Questioning the 5090th foul on Clarke is the least he should be doing! Fuck me, 20 seconds later he ignored the most blatant violent conduct of the season!

 

[Dobblemackem]

I think it's bit of a understandably whinge after a heavy defeat. This mythical consistency thing absolutely baffles me. Every single incident is different. It's impossible to expect any type of consistency when there are so many variables involved. Genuine question here and I use this line a lot but has any official in your eyes achieved consistency? Given no incidents are the same what do you actually mean by it. Remember the ref gets one look, at full speed from one angle

I don’t expect them to be 100% consistent mate. As human beings we are flawed, show me someone perfect and I’ll call you a liar.

However it’s the consistent inconsistency. The stand out for me off all of it, was giving their keeper “the benefit of the doubt” at least twice, probably more. One of them was beyond ridiculous, but it happens every week, you get used to it. However in the exact same spot in the second half, Patto gets wiped clean out, and he plays on. That’s not a hard one to spot, it’s a very, very straightforward foul if you’ve given them twice to the opposition. There’s a fair few more from yesterday, but that’s the most blatant and obvious.

 

[hank williams]

I don’t expect them to be 100% consistent mate. As human beings we are flawed, show me someone perfect and I’ll call you a liar.

However it’s the consistent inconsistency. The stand out for me off all of it, was giving their keeper “the benefit of the doubt” at least twice, probably more. One of them was beyond ridiculous, but it happens every week, you get used to it. However in the exact same spot in the second half, Patto gets wiped clean out, and he plays on. That’s not a hard one to spot, it’s a very, very straightforward foul if you’ve given them twice to the opposition. There’s a fair few more from yesterday, but that’s the most blatant and obvious.

ahem

 

[wicketkeeper]

Consistently is not possible when you dealing with different instances and people.

Consistently has never happened and never will it’s down to interpretation and is subjective always has been.

That’s one of the key problems with stupid handball situation and other stuff striving for the impossible.

Refs should just be allowed to ref the game how they see fit and mistakes they inevitably make treated the same way as the inevitable mistakes made by players.

Used to be that way up to a point, and there was nothing wrong with the game, until everyone concerned, pundits, fans, managers and the media did not accept them inevitable mistakes.

Now we have incredible ridiculous over the scrutiny where people look at ref games against a certain team in the past and put 2 and 2 together and make 7 that the ref has something against them which is complete nonsense, even occasions looking where a ref lives and saying he lives to close to one team so must be biased

What everybody needs to do from all angles imo ( but will not happen) is stop trying to make instances and fouls the same and compare, all fouls are different and seen differently by different people.

And stop asking for consistently because it’s f***ing impossible.

Refs should rightly get criticism when they have the luxury of VAR and still get it wrong.

However when they have one look, one angle and split seconds to make a decision in such a fast paced game, 99% of times their mistakes should be accepted and understood like they once were, sadly they not and why we have some of the ridiculous situations we have now on occasions.

The problem I have is this particular referee acted in an unprecedented way and you cant blame the player for that.
He has naturally assumed he can act in a particular way because he has done it many many times before with zero consequences.

 

[Mowgli]

Consistently is not possible when you dealing with different instances and people.

Consistently has never happened and never will it’s down to interpretation and is subjective always has been.

That’s one of the key problems with stupid handball situation and other stuff striving for the impossible.

Refs should just be allowed to ref the game how they see fit and mistakes they inevitably make treated the same way as the inevitable mistakes made by players.

Used to be that way up to a point, and there was nothing wrong with the game, until everyone concerned, pundits, fans, managers and the media did not accept them inevitable mistakes.

Now we have incredible ridiculous over the scrutiny where people look at ref games against a certain team in the past and put 2 and 2 together and make 7 that the ref has something against them which is complete nonsense, even occasions looking where a ref lives and saying he lives to close to one team so must be biased

What everybody needs to do from all angles imo ( but will not happen) is stop trying to make instances and fouls the same and compare, all fouls are different and seen differently by different people.

And stop asking for consistently because it’s f***ing impossible.

Refs should rightly get criticism when they have the luxury of VAR and still get it wrong.

However when they have one look, one angle and split seconds to make a decision in such a fast paced game, 99% of times their mistakes should be accepted and understood like they once were, sadly they not and why we have some of the ridiculous situations we have now on occasions.

Consistency with regards to time wasting and dissent is achievable though. They just choose for it not to be.

Hes allowed others off in the same game for shouting fuck off at him

 

[the sleeping giant]

The problem I have with your stance is that with the benefit of hindsight you say Neil was stupid.
Yet from his point of view he was entitled to think that there was zero risk in his behaviour he and many other players have done the same thing thousands of times with no consequences.
The referee has acted in a virtually unprecedented way and you cannot blame the player for that.

He is doing what he has done and others have done thousands of times before with no consequences.

Couldn't agree more. It was an absolute nonsense of a decision.

 

[Goldeneye]

The one that really annoyed me was a few mins before Neil got sent off was one of their players fouled Clarke twice in a minute. One shirt pull which he played on (fine thought hed go back to book him once play stopped) then the same player brought Clarke down near the box to stop our counter attack in the same move. Yet the ref didnt even go over to speak to him never mind book him.
In the 2nd half Clarke does similar and the card was straight out. Ridiculous when their players were persistently fouling throughout.

 

[wicketkeeper]

The PGMOL needs to come out and clarify this. You cant have a rogue referee acting in an unprecedented way. How are the players supposed to know the expectations of the officials.

 

[Dick Fitzwell]

He got every major decision in the game wrong which is some going.

if he is going to issue yellow cards for dissent then he needs to do it consistently, both teams were in the refs ear and challenging decisions from the off, he only issued cards to our players.

He gave yellows for lesser fouls than the greenwood one on seelt, it’s a yellow all day and it’s 10 men a side at 0-0.

Completely not paying attention at half time when coburn firstly elbows Ballard then leads with his head……carrick knew it as well hence him being on the pitch and getting him out of the way asap.

The inconsistency and incompetence is simply staggering.

All that said I also think Mowbray dropped the ball tactically in terms of how we set up second half

By the letter of the law Carrick entering the field of play without permission is a booking or a sending off so we can also add that to the list of things the ref missed

 

[Father Jack Hackett]

Consistently is not possible when you dealing with different instances and people.

Consistently has never happened and never will it’s down to interpretation and is subjective always has been.

That’s one of the key problems with stupid handball situation and other stuff striving for the impossible.

Refs should just be allowed to ref the game how they see fit and mistakes they inevitably make treated the same way as the inevitable mistakes made by players.

Used to be that way up to a point, and there was nothing wrong with the game, until everyone concerned, pundits, fans, managers and the media did not accept them inevitable mistakes.

Now we have incredible ridiculous over the scrutiny where people look at ref games against a certain team in the past and put 2 and 2 together and make 7 that the ref has something against them which is complete nonsense, even occasions looking where a ref lives and saying he lives to close to one team so must be biased

What everybody needs to do from all angles imo ( but will not happen) is stop trying to make instances and fouls the same and compare, all fouls are different and seen differently by different people.

And stop asking for consistently because it’s f***ing impossible.

Refs should rightly get criticism when they have the luxury of VAR and still get it wrong.

However when they have one look, one angle and split seconds to make a decision in such a fast paced game, 99% of times their mistakes should be accepted and understood like they once were, sadly they not and why we have some of the ridiculous situations we have now on occasions.

Whilst I agree, the dissent rule really should be black and white and easily to compare. You either receive a booking for swearing towards the officials or you don’t?
I fully agree about handballs and tackles as every one is different but you either swear towards an official or you don’t, it’s a conscious action.

 

[Dick Fitzwell]

Consistently is not possible when you dealing with different instances and people.

Consistently has never happened and never will it’s down to interpretation and is subjective always has been.

That’s one of the key problems with stupid handball situation and other stuff striving for the impossible.

Refs should just be allowed to ref the game how they see fit and mistakes they inevitably make treated the same way as the inevitable mistakes made by players.

Used to be that way up to a point, and there was nothing wrong with the game, until everyone concerned, pundits, fans, managers and the media did not accept them inevitable mistakes.

Now we have incredible ridiculous over the scrutiny where people look at ref games against a certain team in the past and put 2 and 2 together and make 7 that the ref has something against them which is complete nonsense, even occasions looking where a ref lives and saying he lives to close to one team so must be biased

What everybody needs to do from all angles imo ( but will not happen) is stop trying to make instances and fouls the same and compare, all fouls are different and seen differently by different people.

And stop asking for consistently because it’s f***ing impossible.

Refs should rightly get criticism when they have the luxury of VAR and still get it wrong.

However when they have one look, one angle and split seconds to make a decision in such a fast paced game, 99% of times their mistakes should be accepted and understood like they once were, sadly they not and why we have some of the ridiculous situations we have now on occasions.

So consistency in the same game can’t happen???? Really, even you can full believe that one, ok so say we believe you there what about the missed incidents such as Coburn elbow and attempted headbutt, Greenwood’s studs up challenge and the dive for a pen, Crooks constantly fouling Clarke and shirt pulling, Carrick entering the field. Oneins push in the box, the foul on him in the build up to the 3rd goal?
Seems to be a running theme there

 

[SunderLad92]

Earlier in the season players were getting booked for celebrating/taunting in front of opposition fans.

Since Australia's best ref wants to play by the early season rules with swearing etc you can add that to the list of things he missed because that Jones would of been off.

 

[Wearside Wanderer II]

Haven’t seen any impartial views of the dickheads performance? Any knocking about.
He was f***ing shocking, hope the club put in their report how he has Boro tattoo on his bawsack.

 

[ron]

Consistently is not possible when you dealing with different instances and people.

Consistently has never happened and never will it’s down to interpretation and is subjective always has been.

That’s one of the key problems with stupid handball situation and other stuff striving for the impossible.

Refs should just be allowed to ref the game how they see fit and mistakes they inevitably make treated the same way as the inevitable mistakes made by players.

Used to be that way up to a point, and there was nothing wrong with the game, until everyone concerned, pundits, fans, managers and the media did not accept them inevitable mistakes.

Now we have incredible ridiculous over the scrutiny where people look at ref games against a certain team in the past and put 2 and 2 together and make 7 that the ref has something against them which is complete nonsense, even occasions looking where a ref lives and saying he lives to close to one team so must be biased

What everybody needs to do from all angles imo ( but will not happen) is stop trying to make instances and fouls the same and compare, all fouls are different and seen differently by different people.

And stop asking for consistently because it’s f***ing impossible.

Refs should rightly get criticism when they have the luxury of VAR and still get it wrong.

However when they have one look, one angle and split seconds to make a decision in such a fast paced game, 99% of times their mistakes should be accepted and understood like they once were, sadly they not and why we have some of the ridiculous situations we have now on occasions.

But as i stated earlier everytime our players went near their keeper for the ball, foul given no protection for Patterson though and not one freekick given. Shirt tugging ie Roberts foul and yellow, their player on clark play on no card. Shirt pulling in the same in any instance stopping a player running past you.

 

[Safc98]

Earlier in the season players were getting booked for celebrating/taunting in front of opposition fans.

Since Australia's best ref wants to play by the early season rules with swearing etc you can add that to the list of things he missed because that Jones would have been off.

Blatant dive too

 

[redandwhiterob]

I don’t expect them to be 100% consistent mate. As human beings we are flawed, show me someone perfect and I’ll call you a liar.

However it’s the consistent inconsistency. The stand out for me off all of it, was giving their keeper “the benefit of the doubt” at least twice, probably more. One of them was beyond ridiculous, but it happens every week, you get used to it. However in the exact same spot in the second half, Patto gets wiped clean out, and he plays on. That’s not a hard one to spot, it’s a very, very straightforward foul if you’ve given them twice to the opposition. There’s a fair few more from yesterday, but that’s the most blatant and obvious.

They are just separate incidents which he has seen from different angles. Do you think he's cheating? What else would be his motive for giving some and not others?

 

[Scotty 1978]

This ref in the City v Chelsea WSL game must be related to Mr Gillet, just gave 2nd yellow to Alex Greenwood for time wasting

 

[Dick Fitzwell]

They are just separate incidents which he has seen from different angles. Do you think he's cheating? What else would be his motive for giving some and not others?

It’s clear to me you’re a ref as you miss so many points