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coyneeee said:
The assistant VAR Dan Cook is the biggest culprit.

He was asked the onfield decision was an offside, which is an incorrect call, are you happy with this?
He answered yes.

The laws of the game state state once the game is replayed it can't be rewound, so anything said after that is irrelevant.


VAR have to intervene if they feel the on field referee has made a mistake.

Offside decision, handball, fouls, whatever. If referee blows for handball and VAR reckons it hit the upper chest, they're obliged to get involved.
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The only bloke who's coming out of that audio is the replay operator, he was clear and precise. But his 2 VAR colleagues you could mistake for Harry and Marv from Home Alone.
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It shouldn't be a case of 'are you happy with this?', it should be 'onside' or 'offside'.

Even in your explanation it sounds to me like you're describing him getting it right.
billybobmackem2312 said:
Disgraceful Audio that. How can you be so utterly incompetent at your job. You’re drawing a bastard line and saying offside or onside ffs.
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They're not though, which seems to be how the fuck up occurred.
 
TheRey said:
It's genuinely staggering that anyone can be that incompetent :lol:

Although it is Darren England, who is unquestionably, the most incompetent man on the planet. Makes Liz Truss seem capable.
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That cannot be the correct video from VAR, can it? Wasn't only the audio released?
If not the correct video, then the creator of this clip can naturally make it look even worse, since you trust your eyes as much as you do.
Still, unbelievable that VAR didn't keep their eyes on the real time screen as well to notice the ball was not on the middle as should be if starting play after a goal.
AC Mack said:
No, the linesman should give what he thinks. You don't not put your flag up because you know VAR is there to fall back on. This is why they now delay their decision if they think it's off.
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Shouldn't the linesman only put up his flag up if he's sure?
Leave the benefit of the doubt to the attacker. And then leave it to VAR to correct his potential mistake.
 
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AC Mack said:
It shouldn't be a case of 'are you happy with this?', it should be 'onside' or 'offside'.

Even in your explanation it sounds to me like you're describing him getting it right.


They're not though, which seems to be how the fuck up occurred.
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But the question was asking if they were happy with the onfield decision being offside.

The language will be like that for the cases where VAR doesn't have enough to overturn a decision, so VAR not saying for certain whether someone is offside or onside, but just being happy with the decision made if they're unable to see anything to overturn this.

Just an utter lack of concentration from the one who answered yes to the question as even if he forgot what the onfield decision was, he just need to listen to the question properly. Maybe VAR operators should be former goalkeepers. Used to having to concentrate for a full match even if you're doing very little during the game.
 
AC Mack said:
It shouldn't be a case of 'are you happy with this?', it should be 'onside' or 'offside'.

Even in your explanation it sounds to me like you're describing him getting it right.
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He is getting it right, he's a replay operator, he's probably some nerd who lives in his mar's dungeon playing World of Warcraft, not a football official, he's no authority to say that's offside or that's onside. That's the VAR's job.

His job is to say here's the image you want, are you sure you're making the correct decision here.

The Assistant VAR confirmed the decision for the official VAR, then spotted his own mistake when the ball was kicked. He is the villain and there's no argument to it.
 
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PJH said:
But the question was asking if they were happy with the onfield decision being offside.

The language will be like that for the cases where VAR doesn't have enough to overturn a decision, so VAR not saying for certain whether someone is offside or onside, but just being happy with the decision made if they're unable to see anything to overturn this.

Just an utter lack of concentration from the one who answered yes to the question as even if he forgot what the onfield decision was, he just need to listen to the question properly. Maybe VAR operators should be former goalkeepers. Used to having to concentrate for a full match even if you're doing very little during the game.
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There's a case the Assistant VAR wasn't even looking at the screen properly.

How do you go from "Yes it's offside" to "Hang on, the left back's playing him onside" between the moments when the game is paused and when it's restarted.

It's like getting the colours yellow and black mixed up.
 
Have you heard the state of the conversation they’re having man it sounds like they can’t even strong a sentence together. Stuttering like fuck.

Absolutely clueless. Funny though
 
SAFC 2012 said:
Have you heard the state of the conversation they’re having man it sounds like they can’t even strong a sentence together. Stuttering like fuck.

Absolutely clueless. Funny though
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It went all smooth until the Assistant got involved :D

Assistant Ref calls he's delaying flagging for offside, standard
VAR ref confirms they're going to intervene
Got the lines up pretty fast

Soon as the idiot spoke it went downhill very fast

And then he finishes it with - "Hang on, the left back was playing him on"

classic.
 
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Vicham said:
Shouldn't the linesman only put up his flag up if he's sure?
Leave the benefit of the doubt to the attacker. And then leave it to VAR to correct his potential mistake.
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No, absolutely not. He has a decision to make - onside or offside. I don't know where this narrative has crept in about being sure or certain.
 
PJH said:
But the question was asking if they were happy with the onfield decision being offside.

The language will be like that for the cases where VAR doesn't have enough to overturn a decision, so VAR not saying for certain whether someone is offside or onside, but just being happy with the decision made if they're unable to see anything to overturn this.

Just an utter lack of concentration from the one who answered yes to the question as even if he forgot what the onfield decision was, he just need to listen to the question properly. Maybe VAR operators should be former goalkeepers. Used to having to concentrate for a full match even if you're doing very little during the game.
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He wouldn't need to listen to or answer any question if he just had to say onside or offside.
 
AC Mack said:
He wouldn't need to listen to or answer any question if he just had to say onside or offside.
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The problem with that is the answer to that question can change depending on the onfield decision, as they’ve added a thickness to the lines akin to the “umpires call” in cricket. So in an incredibly tight situation (granted this one wasn’t) the decision itself could change from VAR based on the onfield decision
 
AC Mack said:
He wouldn't need to listen to or answer any question if he just had to say onside or offside.
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That's not his job! He's not a qualified football official or anything. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about that. Would you task a secretary to do a police interview?
 
coyneeee said:
That's not his job! He's not a qualified football official or anything. Would you task a secretary to do a police interview?
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I'm saying the person who makes the decision, can't they just state the situation as either offside or onside?

There seems to be a lot of semantics going on here.
 
AC Mack said:
I'm saying the person who makes the decision, can't they just state the situation as either offside or onside?

There seems to be a lot of semantics going on here.
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On-field referee fucked up at that point.

When the goal was initially scored, he said give it as a goal while we check this. But the ref blew for offside
 
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