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Ivan Toney

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He's done an almost 2 hour podcast with Steven Bartlett.

To sum up the podcast, he reckons "someone is out to get him" and doesn't really take any responsibility or think he has done anything wrong.

Given the investigation concluded the below, he got off extremely lightly IMO:


Ivan Toney repeatedly placed bets on matches his own team were involved in, including 13 occasions when he backed his club to lose, and gave “clearly false” answers to the investigation into his breaches of gambling rules, an independent regulatory commission has found.

The England striker has begun an eight-month ban after admitting 232 breaches of the Football Association’s rule E8, which prohibits players from gambling on football. His sanction would have been three months longer, the commission’s written reasons reveal, had Toney not been diagnosed during the investigation as having a gambling addiction.

Toney’s case is one of the most serious breaches of gambling rules that the FA has prosecuted. The commission found that 29 bets related to the club Toney was registered with or on loan with at the time. These included 13 bets on his own club to lose, although Toney was not involved in those games. In 11 cases the bets were against Newcastle while he was on loan elsewhere and the other two relate to a Wigan v Aston Villa match while he was on loan at Wigan but not in the squad.

Betting on your own team to lose can carry a life ban, as can gambling on your own performance in a match, something Toney was also found to have done.

He placed 15 bets on himself to score and 16 on his team to win. He also shared inside information on a match, used third parties to gamble on his behalf and withheld information from the investigation.
Sounds like the best advice should have been to say nothing other than sorry, through Brentford, and that he'd concentrate on overcoming addiction and being fit to play when his ban is up. As he did the gambling it's not about anyone being out to get him. Any more of that bluster and not accepting he was wring and he should face a review and banned outright.

The podcast doesn't care about him, they just want the listens.
 

You can't draw an arbitrary line in the sand when it comes to betting though.
Also he has friends in the game, what's to say he didn't put the bet on for another player who was playing for the opposition for their team to lose? An extreme example but when it comes to betting you can't just say "these ones are okay, those aren't", because any kind of betting can infer interference.
I believe you, as I'm not a betting man myself and wouldn't have a clue about the betting rules for pro footballers. Just seems daft that these lads on huge salaries actually choose to do this.
 
He placed 15 bets on himself to score and 16 on his team to win.

I can't see the issue with that part.
He might be good mates with an opposition goalkeeper. He could say "I'll stick £100k on me to score, let one in and I'll give you half the winnings". It would be fairly hard to carry it out without it being obvious, but there's a chance of it, which is why they just have a blanket ban on betting on football
 
Was also pretty surprised that after causing this problem to Brentford, he started suggesting on the podcast he would be up for a move somewhere else
 
I believe you, as I'm not a betting man myself and wouldn't have a clue about the betting rules for pro footballers. Just seems daft that these lads on huge salaries actually choose to do this.
Oh aye, seems baffling to me as well. I suppose with that kind of money you just get bored and after that you get the addiction.
 
He placed 15 bets on himself to score and 16 on his team to win.

I can't see the issue with that part.

Well what if for example he’s through on goal and has a teammate to his left for an easy tap in but goes for goal himself, to win his goal scoring bet then it’s an issue.
 
Sounds like the best advice should have been to say nothing other than sorry, through Brentford, and that he'd concentrate on overcoming addiction and being fit to play when his ban is up. As he did the gambling it's not about anyone being out to get him. Any more of that bluster and not accepting he was wring and he should face a review and banned outright.

The podcast doesn't care about him, they just want the listens.
Quite exploitative really
 
Time on their hands, bottomless pits of cash and boredom.
Clubs could hire a pro who can educate young footballers on how to spend money wisely. Preferably ex players who can talk from experience like Robbie Fowler, a prop dev expert, or Jody Craddock if they like fine art? Good and decent things to spend money one, lots of players have done it, would be good if they visited clubs and did talks, wee knars, they probably already do! Just don't bet on football, I'd of thought that would be pretty obvious but these lads need educating better.
 
Clubs could hire a pro who can educate young footballers on how to spend money wisely. Preferably ex players who can talk from experience like Robbie Fowler, a prop dev expert, or Jody Craddock if they like fine art? Good and decent things to spend money one, lots of players have done it, would be good if they visited clubs and did talks, wee knars, they probably already do! Just don't bet on football, I'd of thought that would be pretty obvious but these lads need educating better.
That’s what their agents should be instilling in them, but in the past most players will have wasted bucket loads on shit too. And it’s not like a lot of these players come thru the ranks earning small wages and graduate to the decent contracts, the top end ones will be multi millionaires on the first contracts signed. Could be an argument for capping their wages and the rest is put away for a few years, because it can’t be good being able to do/ buy anything at such a young age so no doubt makes them feel invincible and with that comes the attitude they can do anything with some of them…see mason greenwood
 
That’s what their agents should be instilling in them, but in the past most players will have wasted bucket loads on shit too. And it’s not like a lot of these players come thru the ranks earning small wages and graduate to the decent contracts, the top end ones will be multi millionaires on the first contracts signed. Could be an argument for capping their wages and the rest is put away for a few years, because it can’t be good being able to do/ buy anything at such a young age so no doubt makes them feel invincible and with that comes the attitude they can do anything with some of them…see mason greenwood
There'll never be a cap on what they are getting paid every week and I'm in full agreement with what you say, there should be a limit on what they can receive at certain ages and like you say the rest put away until they "graduate" ... and I think that's a key word. A rule that pro players 21 or under are considered as students, or even up to U23's? Then when the graduate they get a massive pay-off - yeah that sounds good. I do think it will really help the young players focus on their football.
 
There'll never be a cap on what they are getting paid every week and I'm in full agreement with what you say, there should be a limit on what they can receive at certain ages and like you say the rest put away until they "graduate" ... and I think that's a key word. A rule that pro players 21 or under are considered as students, or even up to U23's? Then when the graduate they get a massive pay-off - yeah that sounds good. I do think it will really help the young players focus on their football.
tbh it must kill the desire to always improve in some players, multi millionaires in the first couple of years of football. Egos out of control, Rich beyond their wildest dreams and distractions galore If they allow them. The best ones will live with it and work even harder but loads seem to fall by the wayside once those big deals land and talent just gets wasted as they tick down their contracts to obscurity
 
tbh it must kill the desire to always improve in some players, multi millionaires in the first couple of years of football. Egos out of control, Rich beyond their wildest dreams and distractions galore If they allow them. The best ones will live with it and work even harder but loads seem to fall by the wayside once those big deals land and talent just gets wasted as they tick down their contracts to obscurity
Toneys a good example on podcast.

Signed for newcastle when young, mobbed by fans in hotel etc, personal dhopper coming to his house. At that stage of his career hed done fuck all.

With social media etc some safc youths have huge followings etc brfore kicking a first team ball. Must turn their heads. Back in the day youd often never heard of a young un till you rocked up at roker n he was anounced as a sub.
 
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