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Boro thread

boroboys said:
Basically we’ve lost our best players and not replaced them and Gibson won’t spend money. Not a chance we will go down no chance but at the same time promotion no way. Want the season to end already comments on here are basically right. May end up right regarding carrick but he’s not been backed

Maybe, the problems we have are with the recruitment team not carrick every good manager has struggled under it
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Aaah, the perils of the loan system.
Clubs shouldn't be allowed more than 2 in any one season in the Champo imho.
 

I’ve no love or huge dislike for the Boro but Like us it’s early days and like us it largely depends on how any new signings settle and perform.

Although they got done over today I see their akpom replacement got off the mark which is a positive sign.

Lost a lot of handy loan players from last season and like all teams a fair bit will depend on that market and how those players then perform.

Last season didn’t make carrick a brilliant manager and the start this season doesn’t make him a bad one be interesting to see how he goes this season.
 
one footed wonder said:
I’ve no love or huge dislike for the Boro but Like us it’s early days and like us it largely depends on how any new signings settle and perform.

Although they got done over today I see their akpom replacement got off the mark which is a positive sign.

Lost a lot of handy loan players from last season and like all teams a fair bit will depend on that market and how those players then perform.

Last season didn’t make carrick a brilliant manager and the start this season doesn’t make him a bad one be interesting to see how he goes this season.
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Sensible post.
 
seahamstar said:
Whilst we haven't had the best of starts (three whole points behind the mighty Sunderland), I think you'll find it's actually THREE games without a win - similar to Sunderland 's first three games this season iirc.
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Aye, those last 3 games against coventry last season dont count, or the 2 games before that, or the 4 games in the league this season.

4+3+2 = 9 championship games without a win
 
If you look at their last big win in the Championship , Norwich at home in April , they have lost ( in order of effectiveness)

Akpom
Archer
Ramsey
Giles
Steffan
That is going to have a hell of an effect on a team.
Equivalent of us losing Diallo, Roberts, Clarke Cirkin and Patto.
The poster who made the point about loans is 100% correct. I would also hazard that the fact 4 of those being on loan led to their bad tail off at the end , as players prepared to go back to their parent clubs.
The player they have I really like is Hackney , I also think Lenighan and McGree are top 6 players.
Again , the policy of rip it up and start again this year means they are going to be playing catch up.
How many goals do those lost players take out of their team , 50 + ? That’s a lot to replace.
 
scotch said:
Aye, those last 3 games against coventry last season dont count, or the 2 games before that, or the 4 games in the league this season.

4+3+2 = 9 championship games without a win
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I do believe we knocked Huddersfield out of the cup THIS season.
Most of the matches you've used occurred LAST season.
Suddenly shoving 'championship' games into the equation is moving the goalposts a bit isn't it? (Pun intended).
hoolio said:
He’s counting the win over ten man Huddersfield reserves in the cup 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Well yes.
Seeing as the win over Huddersfield was an actual competitive match , then why wouldn't I.
The fact remains , we have gone THREE matches without a win, same as you did .

This 'nine' thing is just distorting the facts.

We're 4 games into the championship season - hardly reason to panic - Sunderland are hardly setting the league on fire
 
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seahamstar said:
I do believe we knocked Huddersfield out of the cup THIS season.
Most of the matches you've used occurred LAST season.
Suddenly shoving 'championship' games into the equation is moving the goalposts a bit isn't it? (Pun intended).
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I mean I assumed he meant league form on the first place. As the Carabao cup really matters very little. There's no prize money and neither Sunderland or Boro were likely at all to reach the semis when prize money comes into it.

But yes, you're correct you beat Huddersfield having an extra man for nearly 90 mins. But having said that, league form is a concern isn't it ? 9 without a win now.

4 without a win this season isn't too concerning.. some Sunderland fans think we're in trouble after 4 matches. But Middlesbrough ended the season in pretty bad form, and have seemingly started or in pretty bad form.
 
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McGregor said:
I mean I assumed he meant league form on the first place. As the Carabao cup really matters very little. There's no prize money and neither Sunderland or Boro were likely at all to reach the semis when prize money comes into it.

But yes, you're correct you beat Huddersfield having an extra man for nearly 90 mins. But having said that, league form is a concern isn't it ? 9 without a win now.
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Of course it's concerning, but it IS only 4 games.
It was never gonna be easy replacing those loanees and Akpom's goals.

Yes, we did really well getting in the play offs (after last season's start), but that doesn't necessarily mean we're an established top 6 (championship) club.

The new striker got off the mark yesterday, so hopefully he'll settle quickly, and players can adapt to any difference in style.

On the 'extra man' thing - we did actually play most of yesterday's second half with 10 men.
 
RedAndWhite2 said:
coventry and boro were bottom of the table last season and got play offs. dunno why people read so much into things after only 4 games

Does any1 think preston getting play offs? Nah
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Because they've lost half a team and replaced them with poorer players
 
seahamstar said:
Of course it's concerning, but it IS only 4 games.
It was never gonna be easy replacing those loanees and Akpom's goals.

Yes, we did really well getting in the play offs (after last season's start), but that doesn't necessarily mean we're an established top 6 (championship) club.

The new striker got off the mark yesterday, so hopefully he'll settle quickly, and players can adapt to any difference in style.

On the 'extra man' thing - we did actually play most of yesterday's second half with 10 men.
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For me, having the window extending four weeks into the season is distorting. Teams simply can't be settled. I hope it is changed to end at the start of the season but I highly doubt it will.
 
10 Gary Rowells said:
For me, having the window extending four weeks into the season is distorting. Teams simply can't be settled. I hope it is changed to end at the start of the season but I highly doubt it will.
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Yeah, totally agree.
Surely the close season is plenty time to sort squads out, and to me the window should close just before the start of new season.

At least then clubs know what they've got as the season starts, and also know they aren't gonna lose anyone in the first weeks of the season
T_Bone said:
It’s Sunday, has boring fart from Seaham been on yet with his quick fire wit and repartee ?
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Thought you were a Hartlepoolian !
 
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The Situation said:
Said it on another thread, but Boro's numbers were very good under Wilder and suggested results would turn for them sooner rather than later.

That's exactly what happened, but as Carrick had just come in, all the credit went to him despite the numbers showing it would happen regardless.

Of course that was dismissed by the usual suspects and Carrick instead was anointed as the second coming of Fergie.

Carrick did nothing special last season. He reached the playoffs with a playoff level squad who were posting playoff level numbers and had a playoff level wage bill
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What’s our numbers like after 4 games this season. For me our worst performance was the match we won, we’ve generally been pretty decent with an obvious deficiency in that we haven’t got a forward.

Or is 4 games to short of time span to make the numbers work?
 
joebolton said:
If you look at their last big win in the Championship , Norwich at home in April , they have lost ( in order of effectiveness)

Akpom
Archer
Ramsey
Giles
Steffan
That is going to have a hell of an effect on a team.
Equivalent of us losing Diallo, Roberts, Clarke Cirkin and Patto.
The poster who made the point about loans is 100% correct. I would also hazard that the fact 4 of those being on loan led to their bad tail off at the end , as players prepared to go back to their parent clubs.
The player they have I really like is Hackney , I also think Lenighan and McGree are top 6 players.
Again , the policy of rip it up and start again this year means they are going to be playing catch up.
How many goals do those lost players take out of their team , 50 + ? That’s a lot to replace.
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Spot on mate hackney is a class act local lad. But it’s effectively ruled out us going for promotion. The core of the side has been ripped apart and we will not find another archer and a player who will have a season like Akpom. We will probably be around 16th/17th
 
To be honest I thought their bench with the likes of Jones, McNair, Forss etc on looked good. I couldn’t understand why some of them weren’t starting
 
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